Saturday 7th October 2017
Barrow AFC v Leyton Orient, ko 3.00pm
BGSB Social Gathering/PU, Prince of Wales, Foxfield, usual trains. Note, last orders for food is 7.00pm.
Great game at Holker Street for all Barrow supporters and then a fine evening of food, ale, hilarity and traditional sing-song whilst overlooking the Duddon Estuary. This gathering also coincides with the Broughton Festival of Beer.
See you then.
Ian here you go, from Wiki. 11 plus started in 1944.
In the Victorian era there was a great emphasis on the importance of self-improvement, and parents keen for their children to receive a decent education organised the creation of new schools with modern curricula, though often retaining a classical core. These newer schools tended to emulate the great public schools, copying their curriculum, ethos and ambitions, and often took the title "grammar school" for historical reasons. A girls' grammar school established in a town with an older boys' grammar school would often be named a "high school".
Under the Education (Administrative Provisions) Act 1907 all grant-aided secondary schools were required to provide at least 25 percent of their places as free scholarships for students from public elementary schools. Grammar schools thus emerged as one part of the highly varied education system of England and Wales before 1944.
I just read this by Woody Allen -" I had a terrible education. I attended as school for emotionally disturbed teachers" and immediately thought of BGS
Does anyone know how pupils were selected for the Grammar schools prior to the introduction of the 11+ exam ?
Many thanks to John Quirk for the loan of the Grammar School calendar 1945-46 which I've scanned into the album below- please paste link into your browser. John started BBGS in 1942 in the same year as my Dad, Harry Walmsley and we had a great time reminiscing tonight.
Pictures from last night's get together in the Prince of Wales, Foxfield and the Duke of Edinburgh, Barrow.
Excellent get together yesterday on Piel Island followed by the Clarke's Arms and a cracking evening in the Newton Arms, Dalton, with music from "The Band With No Name".
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It's getting closer, yes it is. I am, of course, referring to our BGSB Spring Gathering weekend. It kicks off on Friday, 28th April. Meet from 1.00pm (or earlier) in the main bar of The Duke. Taxis will be arranged in order to transport us to Roa Island for the ferry, shuttling to and fro from around 2.00pm. Obviously, any lads wishing to meet at Roa Island or in The Ship itself can so do. This year, there will be no walk as there is a high tide at 1.30pm (thanks to Ciaran for all the info on that). Of course, one never knows how the day will progress....one of our old pals, Paul Kell, will be joining us and he has invited us over to his welcoming pub, The Newton Arms in Dalton during the evening. There will be ales, food and a live band! Anyone who cannot make Piel though wants to join in the evening fun can head up there. On Saturday evening, after much debate, we will again be heading up to Foxfield for refreshments and a sing-song at the Prince of Wales. Usual trains. If Piel has to be abandoned on the day because of inclement weather (as happened last year) an alternative venue will be found and publicised on here. All of us look forward to seeing you and welcoming even more 'new' faces.
Best days of our lives eh? Hmmmm. Probably not, but they could have been a lot worse I guess.
I attended BBGS from 1975-1980 by when it had become Parkview. It didn't seem to make any difference to us except we used the girl's school building as well, and were taught by some teachers from that school.
It's always fascinating to read the comments page but also sad to hear of the passing of pupils and teachers.
I often wonder what happened to some of the teachers after they left? Quite a few moved over to the Sixth Form College when that opened . I attended there 1980 - 1982 and saw a number of them. Some teachers seemed to disappear completely though. What became of Fifi Faulkner? He suffered a lot and was probably keen to get away!
Is 'Moonhead HeadShine' one of the penile enhancement products you will be purveying?
What an excellent energy-saving product - lights up the target so no need to have the lights on when partaking of interpersonal relationships!!!!!
No worries - we will be launching our own line of Moonhead intimate care products - designed to equate the problems of interpersonal relationships
What do I do if I CAN recognise somebody and I am trying to BUY penile enhancemant products?
On the photos it is very useful to have the list of names below and I now know to click on a face to see the name or to submit my suggestion. I don't know if it could be possible to click on a name to see which face relates as well. Nonetheless it's a great job you've done.
It is frustrating to see some faces I recognise but I'm unable to summon up the name. I can see about 3 such faces that appear in 1960, 1962 and 1965. Perhaps my colleagues from that era will help to fill in the gaps.
yeah it needs work... I just couldnt take the spam anymore.. I should include Emma Peel.. not everyone has a memory for less familiar faces... though Big Ron adheres well with most people
Why is it that I can't recognise more than 1 out of 10 of your mugshots.
Why there are pictures of Tony Blair & Leonard Rossiter - did they ever teach there?
Perhaps I'm just of an earlier era.
I just found your site, I was in BBGS from 1958-1965 and saw some faces I recognise on 1965 photo. Is there anyone curating the photos as I could supply some names to faces that are not mentioned so far in the list of names.
Hi Sean - you could click on the relevant faces and a link should come up to enter details - or contact the curator. Cheers
Late and lamented Mad Mal celebrates his success with some fairly advanced trouser manipulation (Manchester 1958)
Mad Mal picks up a badminton trophy
I notice on one of the 1977 photos of Barrow Boys Grammar School that Barry Yates has a note saying he passed away. I was a good friend of Barry in the first few years were at the school. Anyone know what happened to him and when it was? - illness perhaps, or accident? He died young. And was he still in Barrow at the time? Any information appreciated, thanks.
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See me in my study after school - Moonhead
Gentlemen - Nigel Stevenson here a pupil of BGS from 1965. Lived in South Lakes for donkey's years and was at Masons Arms Strawberry Bank, but now live in St Ives Cornwall Anyone interested in a couple of photos I came across? - The School Choir in Public Hall and a cross country out front of the school - probably both in 1965. My dad worked at the Evening Mail so I have a few quite good quality ones taken by them. And does anyone remember the sweepstake on the length of the headmasters speech? I mentioned it to my dad who in true newspaper spirit ran a story on it and it subsequently made the Sun I think. I got a bollocking off the said Moonhead. (I didn't win the sweepstake even though he had a copy of the speech prior to Speech Day!!)
Speech Day 1965
Do police usually get involved in defacement of hoardings etc ?
Yes we have a crack team of armed police on 24 hour standby to address this very real threat
Great turn out for another excellent get together in the Prince of Wales, Foxfield including a fine rendition of "Outward Bound". Here's a few pictures.
I left in 1972 and can still recollect most of the lads that I grew up with together with some of the staff.
Nice article on Geoff Hinchley in the mail this week.
Hey Mitch, Steve Bushell still playing TT for Vickers Sports Club.
Nice article on Geoff Hinchley in the mail this week.
Hey Mitch, Steve Bushell still playing TT for Vickers Sports Club.
A bit late I know, but condolences. I knew him since growing up in Brewery St. and through BGSB. and beyond. Excellent centre, unfortunately for the wrong house, some wonderful parties out in Gt. Urswick
Just looking back at old Photos and found photo 40 of me in the school Table Tennis team in 1977/8 with Stuart Lawton and Steve Bushell I think we did quite well in the league that year. Bernie was a good coach. I've played in various leagues since and now in the Watford League. Stuart was a good school friend but we lost touch afterwards. Sadly he died about seven years ago. I visit Cumbria often so I might try to get to one of your meetings. I was at BGSB from 1974 to 1978.
Just discovered this site. Played cricket with Brian Probert at Barrow C C. At BGS from 1960 to 1967. Dave Hopkins was a good out swing bowler with Barrow C C juniors. As I captioned the cricket and table tennis teams Bernie Eales called me Bob. Playing in the football 2nd team I was called Taylor.
Autumn PU is now set for Saturday, October 29th at the Prince of Wales, Foxfield. Meet at Barrow Central Station at 6.00pm or at the PoW itself. Do please note that Barrow AFC v Eastleigh kicks off at Holker Street at 3.00pm that day thus an easy walk down to the station after the game (and even time for a swifty in the Duke!). See you there.
He certainly was and a fine all round sportsman too for the School, the County and Fell house
Sorry to hear about Geoff. He was a gent and a scholar.
It is with great sadness I have to say that Geoff Hinchley former pupil lost his battle with cancer on Sunday
Should anyone like to pay their respects and say a final goodbye the funeral has been arranged for 14th July 1.00pm at Thorncliffe Crematorium
Following some very sober discussions in Barrow and Foxfield, there was general agreement amongst many to fix the time of future Spring gatherings. Thus, each year, they will always take place on the Friday and Saturday of the May Day Bank Holiday weekend. It makes sense and establishes the timing for the foreseeable future, makes it better to organise and easier for all individuals to plan ahead. The dates therefore in 2017 are Friday the 28th and Saturday 29th April. See you all there, hopefully.
Another great night at the Prince of Wales, Foxfield.
Link to pictures of yesterday's excellent gathering in Barrow, the Piel ferry being cancelled.
Only just heard about this site,and nice to see a message from my old mate Sergio! Hope you are well,must be about 20 years or more since we last met when you tracked me down on one of your visits back to these shores.If memory serves me right,your football skills hadn't dwindled,and were still much better tahn mine,although your drinking prowess left a lot to be desired!!
Sadly I cannot make the events this year (in France for a wedding - not mine) but hopefully Gibbo and Kieran can represent the 1970 to 77 brigade. I shall look forward to next year's do instead. Anticipating good pics of the Piel Island shindig.
Hello Sergio, yes I remember you, I'm sure you were thrown into Ramsden house with us rabble ? My abiding memory of you was of course on the football field, You were blessed with all the Brazilian tricks under the sun but I seem to remember you were shocked by the physicality/brutality of some of the more vicious members of our esteemed year ! hope you are well
Ciaran have you looked at Snab Point Earth View? Something very odd appearing there!
Sadly I won't be able to make Piel but let me know if you will be meeting up in town afterwards and I'll join you there
Re Piel Island Friday. The tides do permit a crossing on foot from Walney but my resident Piel native friend tells me we need to set off from Snab Point on Walney at 12.30. The walk takes 30 minutes. Obviously this will be weather dependant (no fun in the rain), it would have been perfect today. I intend to go to the rededication service at the town hall first. Does anyone want to do the walk? please let me know. I'll make a decision nearer the time.
Big events coming up at the end of the month. Friday 29th April at 11am in Barrow Town Hall is the re-dedication ceremony for the BGS War Memorial Boards, arranged by old boy, Keith Johnson. Following this, meet at 1pm either at Snab Point for the walk across or in the Duke for taxis to Roa and then ferries to Piel Island for our annual gathering. Return ferries all afternoon though main group will return on the final crossings around 7.00pm. Saturday night means the Prince of Wales at Foxfield, trains just after six and seven thirty pm. We all look forward to seeing you and one, two or all of these gatherings.
just putting the word out about the War Memorial Boards, which have been salvaged from school and installed in the Town Hall. We will be holding a short re-dedication service on Friday 29th April at 11.00am. (This may fit with other events planned for that weekend)
All old boys are welcome - school tie optional - school song compulsory
Sorry - I was at BGS during 1959 - 61. Ten years earlier than noted below.
And looking again at the picture of 1960, image 5, I believe the teacher behind me (not in a robe) was called Probert. He was a temnp geography teacher who left not long after me and also ended up at Holker Street school.
I was at the Grammar School around 1969 - 71 when I was 'reallocated' to Holker Street. My form teacher at the time was Jack Spry who retired when I left BGS. I remember he gave those of us who were being kicked out a great morale boosting talk before we went into the assembly hall to hold a ceremony for the end of school term, the end of Jack's term as a great teacher and (not to celebrate) my departure.
Sam Price was the head and I remember him as extremely accurate with his cane. Three strokes across the bum would leave three red welts within a half inch space. He did it for me twice. Once was for walking to school with my hands in my pockets!
The school did me a great favour and I was so sorry to hear of the demolition of both of my old schools. In fact, of the four schools I attended in my school days, I believe only one still stands - South Newbarns Junior.
And the playing fields there are all gone, I understand.
What happened to my old home town?
Andy, you and your mates will be made most welcome on April 29th and/or April 30th. Hopefully, see you then.
First time for a long time that I have checked out this site. Scrolling down I see references to the passing of Messrs Eales and Bispham but was surprised to find that there was no mention of Malcolm Hisom's passing. This was also back in 2015, around about August/September time. The three of them left us in fairly rapid succession.
The last time I spotted him (if spotted is the correct term) was about 5 years ago when he appeared on one of the TV antiques shows (forget the name, but it was the one with Angela Rippon in) when she pitched up at his home in Arnside. One of the antiques he had in his house was some sort of barometer-style device which had been housed in the Physics lab and which he said he rescued from the skip when the old school was being cleared out in 1979!
Just to say hello to ex BBGS lads.
We had a few reunions of our year quite recently and proved a success(1976-81)
Nice to see a few are keeping the faith and the memories alive of a great institution that served us well.
I remember the 'boys from Brazil'as we had two families across the the road on Flass Lane.Lovely friendly folk.
Well chaps not long till the BBGS annual shindigs. As a latecomer to these I am looking forward to a good turn out and meeting up with some more ex pupils of the esteemed place of learning. On another tack is there anybody who remembers the French trip in 1970 with the veritable Miss O'Neil. It was an epic trip from which myself and Tony Brockbank were threatened with being sent home because Steve Smith got pissed on the ferry !
From P J Bond,
I do remember a Jorge in my year and for some reason Carlos da Souza sticks in my mind bit I'm sure he as a few years older than me.
We will discuss this at next get together.
I do remember playing football games on walney in the 70s., walney v South America. We usually got stuffed!
Happy to find this site. I am Sergio Barros, one of the Brazilians who were at the BGS in the mid seventies. Would like to here from some of the boys whos studied with me at the time . All the best!
A reminder re. Piel and Foxfield on Friday 29th and Saturday 30th of April respectively.
For Piel meet in the Duke at 1.00pm prior to taxis down to Roa Island for ferries across. Alternatively, meet at Snab Point up to 1.00pm to take part in the walk across the causeway. Naturally, all the evening returns will be via the ferry. For Foxfield, meet at Barrow station or points beyond at 6.00pm on Saturday evening in readiness for the train up to the Prince of Wales. Lads should note that grub orders at PoW are not taken after 7.00pm.
To Peter Verity,
I was in the year after you 1958-1963. but I found Dave Hopkins earlier this year. He posted on this site earlier this year. He is an accomplished artist
using the name of Clyde Hopkins.
Just stumbled across this site and saw some familiar names. I was at bgs between 1957-63.
Ron Horrocks taught me chemistry and drove a BRG 1935 Singer two seater I believe at the time.
Dave (lightnin') ) Hopkins played great blues guitar as well a being a good runner.
I haven't been back to Barrow since 2002 (mother's funeral). Fond memories of a very impressive teaching staff. Have lived in Canada since 1970. I bumped into Chris King in about 1980 at a Renault parts place in Barrow. He didn't remember me. My brother Robert met Mr. Garnett at an Old Barrovians lunch in London a couple of months ago. The school song has stayed with me - an absolute classic!
The Crystal Palace, The Wheatsheaf and The Washington have been purchased for flats/housing by development firm Blake Henderso
Excellent sports team photos in the archive.I was at school from 1977,anyone got any from the last 2 yrs ?
Martin Macdonald passed away peacefully at Furness General Hospital on Wednesday, December 2, aged 58 years.
Anyone remember BGS in the early fifties? I was there 1949-55 when called up for NS in the RAF and my mother took the rest of the family out of town and settled in Norfolk. My father PE Agar had died in 1952 and is buried in Barrow cemetery. My contemporaries at school included Tony Barnes, Mike Addison, Bill Marshall, Bogie Vaughan, Brian Sandford.
I remember Mr Sawtell (Geography) and Chris King (RI and maths). I now live in Hertfordshire and once in 1986 or thereabouts I was walking through the Hertfordsbire woods and stopped to listen to nightingales singing. An elderly gentleman and his daughter also stopped. He told me he came from Barrow and asked if I had ever heard of it. I told him I knew it pretty well and had been to school there. He turned out to be Mr King. I recognised him when he said who he was and we had a chat about Barrow.
I am not in touch with anyone from Barrow now but would be glad of any news.
I think those Old Boys should play for Barrow AFC . Couldn't be much worse than the current shower
Photo viewing repaired
The school song is featured in the new Robert Galbraith (JK Rowling) book. Along with a few drunken old boys.
Excellent night last Saturday in the Prince of wales at Foxfield.
Here's a few pictures:-
Rumours abound concerning a proposed rendition of the Fireball XL5 closing theme at the PoW on Saturday 17th of this month. Should prove to be a popular addition to Autumn Gold.
Rolling on towards the gathering in the Prince of Wales, Foxfield on the evening of Saturday, 17th October, 6.30pm onwards.
I drove past the completely demolished BGS site the other day. It's amazing how they've managed to replicate the 1970's appearance of the Slag Bank with the rubble.
Then the tears flowed :-(
Then I felt released :-)
A reminder that the Autumn term Foxfield gathering will take place at the Prince of Wales from 6.30pm on Saturday October 17th. Many of us will meet at Barrow Central station around 6pm and catch the 18.10 train. Others join us later. We look forward to seeing you for a night of hilarity, fine company, nostalgia and a jolly good sing-song....not to mention copious amounts of fine ale and plates of home-cooked grub. See you then.
Hey Dave and IW whoever you are.
Chip and Fruity are the two nicknames I remember, and French and biology were the two GCE's I didn't get !! Coincidence, I think not. JOG
I'm not sure who IW is, but I was at BGS at about the same time (1958-1965) and I'm sure I remember a French teacher who we called Fruity Garnett. Like IW, we called Robinson - a biology teacher with a savage streak - Chip, rather than Moonhead, although I think the later title is probably better, particularly as a headmaster. I also visited Barrow earlier this year - for the first time in about fifty years - and found much unchanged although the piles of old brick were a sorry sight. Surely the school buildings weren't that old or crumbling? I sensed some cash being made out of demolition, new build and land sales. Very good to meet up with John O. Green earlier this year, and sad to hear about Derek Bland who I used to know well. David (Clyde) Hopkins
Thanks T1, glad to hear the old chap is still going strong. Not familiar with that nickname for him, anymore than Moonhead for Robinson, who was always 'Chip'.
DAG was one of the few teachers with whom I had any rapport, probably because of the Rambling Club and because I knew him from a Methodist youth club prior to going to BGSB. Never managed to teach me much French, though.
I'm sure I went Youth Hosteling with Chip once - quite a different person out of school.
I was in Barrow last week, probably for the first time in well over a decade and was amazed by the changes on Hindpool Road and down towards the Dock museum. Only when I got to the Customs House and the John Whinnerah Institute did I feel on familiar territory.I remember there being mothballed corvettes where the museum now is.I suppose they eventually went for scrap.
Gottle is alive and well. Living up Hawcoat way, near golf club.
Hi, just seen this via an obscure link.
Had hoped to see the demolition of the old school, but had to make do with just the pile of rubble.
I was there 1958-1963, though I can't say I have many fond memories of the place. Being mid B stream and not interested in sport, I think I was just there to make up the numbers, but its interesting to see what became of some of my contemporaries.
I see that some of my era teachers have died over the last few years and I wondered if Alan Garnett had succumbed, as he would be now in his mid 80s
Frank Bispham passed away yesterday. He'd been unwell for a long time with dementia.
Plenty of lads already aware though as we like to spread the word up hill and down dale and even across the water, the next Foxfield session is on Saturday the 17th October. Usual trains from Barrow, meet at 6pm in the station concourse. An added bonus is that Barrow AFC are at home that afternoon v Welling United. Enjoy the game and then take a leisurely walk down Holker Street in time for the train (with an option of a swifty in the Duke beforehand). See you there.
Well Bernie has passed on to that Big Megaphone in the sky. Sprint to Me !!!
Bernie Eales passed away Friday, June 26, 2015.
Just drove past the lunchtime watering hole for many at BBGS and see that it is now closed down.
Sadly, for those who new him Derek(1958-63) died last Sunday. He was living
I wasn't aware that there was sexual abuse at BBGS. If there was then it's a shock. Certainly some of the "Masters" packed a clout, but that was the norm back then.
The greatest abuse came from peer to peer bullying.
It wasn't just us then?
P.S-I think it was Neil Barrowman who appeared twice on the 1977 photo !
Enjoyed looking at the old photos a few months ago-I'm on the 1977 one.Tried to get another look but keep getting "can't connect to database".Not sure if a temporary problem or no longer active/available.
Seems to be an issue with the server - I will have to consult with mein host Mr Gibson
Couple of Old Boys successful in the Barrow Council elections. Frank Cassidy [Walney South] and Derek Brook [Ormsgill-unopposed!]. Both Labour.
Sorry, I said I was doubtful and I was: I won't bore you with excuses. To Ian Dacre: Yes, the grinning Cheshire cat is me, but only once. the image, would you believe it, is of my origin, so I should know. To Tommo: I remain in awe of your attention to detail in your marlin. To Twy: I saw your talent before you did. To anyone else: I hated school, but loved the sport and (most of) the people. I really will try and get there in 2016. If anyone can be arsed, at least 1 photo from 2015 with a name against each person would be nice, Do we need name badges next year: "Willy, haven't been Willy for 40 odd years, drinks too much, smokes a lot and lives down South where it is warmer"? Let me know and I'll pack some thermals and a life vest.
Really enjoyed tonight.
Special thanks to Jamie and great to chat with Ian Honeyman
Pictures of yesterday's excellent Piel trip at:-
Hopefully nobody will develop piles as a result of our trip....
Hopefully, the perfect day, Ciaran.
Walkers will leave Snab Point at 2pm sharp.
Ferry folk meet at The Duke 1.00pm - 1.30pm, taxis to Roa and ferry over at two-ish.
We are expected and the King's wife indicated that they are really looking forward to hosting us again after the success of last year's bash.
Weather looks good for Friday should be a good day
Good shout, Ian.
A general call to all BBGS old farts, particularly to my year (intake of 1970) to attend Piel Island this Friday, 1st May. Where are all the young princes of the 1970's festival scene - Tom Curwen, Ernie Clark (aka Dr Thrasher), Kid Howie, Paul Kell, John Dance, Bor Butler et al? Come along, drink beer and reminisce about great music, wet weekends and the lack of tents.
Heard a rumour that Charlie Watling might be attending. Always good for a laugh.
And where's POSS, I ask? Hope he can attend.
Is this the infamous Paul Williamson who once appeared at both ends of a school photograph with a smile as broad as a Cheshire cat? Lived at North Scale, Walney? I think any Piel Island piss up would miss his attendance.
Ciaran, Me, Lowden, McCusker, Dacre and possibly Lawton intend to walk across to Piel on Friday
Will be there a week on Saturday. My wife wants to come, just to see the Barrovian Animals in their natural habitat ....hope that's acceptable :-)
Good to hear from you. Yes I continued to be accident prone -- used to be called clumsy but now that I hang out in middle class circles I understand the condition is dyspraxia :) - but survive in one piece.
When it comes to Carlisle United all I need to worry about is whether there are at least two teams worse than them in league - not that trivial a concern in many seasons.
How are you?
In view of the starting time for the walk this year (and many thanks to Ciaran for organising it again) it makes sense to delay the other group's departure from the meeting point in the Duke of Ed until 1.30pm approx (now meet from 1pm). It will be taxis down to Roa Island in order to catch the ferry and thus arrive at a similar time to the walkers. Really looking forward to this and the noises coming from planned attendees is very encouraging, especially those who have not been to one of our previous events.
The walk to piel on Friday 1st is on. Tide is a little later than last year so set off would be 2.00pm. Takes about half an hour. So plenty of time for beer and food.
Great idea that, Pete. That should confirm Willy's pass-out from Hertfordshire and we all look forward to seeing him and Rock.
I often think of you when I hear Carlisle mentioned.
I am glad to see that you have still not been taken away by one of your numerous accidents!
Tell you what. If you can get yourself to the Prince of Wales I will get an invite to Rocky via Dave Kelly. Then you can reap revenge.
I just found this site and see a number of my contemporaries are active participants. Both Philip Geddes and Sean Barker went to the same junior school as me. In fact other alumni of St Mary's in our year were Paul Donnelly, Terence McKee, Kieran McCusker and John Nichols.
Er, no. As in most of my poor artistic adventures, regulating size to either practicality or time was a problem. The "Hawkwind Poster" took some considerable time to create in shape and form before the colour and I was a little ambitious, or more, at a 4 foot poster, even as a mere copy. I found a decent black ink in Phil Eaton's ink cupboard but set about the silver first. At some point, I went to footie/basketball/whatever and rolled up my 25% completion and handed over to Rocky or "Just 2 Things" Eales for safekeeping. An hour later I found it crumpled up in the waste basket in their little hidey hole. I was gutted. No rips or tears but the creases and folds could not be repaired or straightened, so it went in the trash. Bugger that you remember. I am now really annoyed.
As for Twy and Joey, no idea. I'm not a kidnapper, just an international arms dealer.
When I was looking around for some information a few months ago about Phil Docker's death, I noticed that there is a page about Phil in a book published in 2009 called "Day One Trader - a Liffe story" by somebody called John Sussex. I managed to find a free PDF copy of the book to copy and paste the text, which may be of interest to people who knew Phil. It gives some idea of the life he had been living in the last 30 years or so, and it covers his enthusiasm for football. It sounds like he put on a fair bit of weight after leaving school - "the portly Docker". This message board I think turns text into a single paragraph, the extract from the book starts here ---->
Another Cannon Bridge visionary was Phil Docker. The portly Docker wore spectacles and liked to go to spend his lunchtimes having some banter in the pub with the chaps that worked for him. He was not the sharpest dresser on the floor and was never an outstanding dealer. Docker could easily have passed unnoticed among the thousands of traders that worked in the Cannon Bridge pits. But Docker was smart enough to see where the future of trading was heading. He left Liffe a couple of years before the floor closed with Paul Varcoe, who became his business partner. Varcoe had served as head options trader for Salomon Brothers while Docker worked as his futures broker at the exchange. The pair founded EasyScreen in 1998, which provided trading software to screen-based traders. The pair convinced leading investment banks such as Deutsche Bank and JP Morgan to use the technology. An IPO saw EasyScreen become listed on Londonís AIM market and the company was worth about £140 million in 2000. But the bursting of the dot.com bubble whittled the share price down to pennies. The pair made a relatively modest sum of a few million pounds when the business was sold to Refco in 2005.
Docker supported Manchester United and he was also a big fan of Italian football and would take clients to Milanís San Siro stadium to watch AC Milan or Internazionale play. Flying out to Italy to watch a Serie A match was particularly popular among Liffe traders in the eighties when the Italian fi rst division was the best football league in the world. Docker captained an EasyScreen football team which played against a Liffe Old Boys team which included Dickinson and was captained by myself. The match took place on the hallowed Wembley turf in the same year that the floor closed. Both teams had to stump up £12,500 each for the privilege of taking part in one of the last matches to be played at the old stadium before it was completely rebuilt. When we ran out of the Wembley tunnel and onto the pitch in the empty stadium we were greeted by the roar of a CD recording of the Wembley crowd which blared out of the stadiumís loud speakers to give the game a bigmatch feel. The only real-life spectators were a small gathering of wives, friends and children of the players. A newspaper article covered the match under the headline:ĎYou thought it was all over? It is now.í Docker told the journalist that he had been dreaming about the match for months while gasping on a cigarette during a spell on the substituteís bench. He had even gone on a three-month diet in preparation for the game, which trimmed his waist down from 38 inches to 32 inches.Ď I íve saved so much money I may have turned in a profit on the whole thing,í he said while patting his stomach. Unfortunately, even a slim line Docker was not enough to win the day for the EasyScreen boys. We thrashed them 5-0. My son, Paul, grabbed two of our goals. I had the honour of climbing the steps to the Royal Box where Elizabeth Richard, a royal lookalike, handed out our winning medals. Here I lifted a replica of the FA Cup to celebrate our victory. Docker would leave the stadium a happy man with a plastic cup containing a divot of turf from the Wembley pitch.
Yes I finished the marlin. Did you finish the Hawkwind poster?.By the way, Twy is still convinced you kidnapped his Budgie Joey!!
I will be going to Piel on 01.05.2015 and will be keen to walk from Snab again if tides are favourable.
A blast from the past. Did you ever finish the marlin in art class? (I haven't been called "Willy" in 40 years!)
Come on Willy, it's a 600 mile round trip for me too but we need to get the Walney contingent there. Twy, Les and I will be there for sure. Plus I need to buy more bus tokens off you! Cheers Thommo.
It's unlikely. I don't have a visa for "up north" and haven't been back for several years. However, if you could convert the aka's into real people, I might be persuaded. F. Chops? Now who the hell is that, after 40 years? And which Form/year are we talking about?
Jock Salmon, no problem. I remember Gazza Glew (another Form). Les Hall I note. The infamous footballer Kev Proctor, yeah. Phil Docker: Tez Maize/Mayes/Maze took a lower footie team - "now you guys, I want you to do this and that. Phil, do what you want up front." Excellent striker, never saw him play cricket. John Rushton, yes.
Exchange Christmas cards every year with Dave Ronald.
For the record, I left at 16 (3 O levels) and went into the yard as an apprentice Sparky. After training, 1 year on Invincible then I moved south to get warm in 1978. Still in Hertfordshire.
Take care, whoever is listening.
Does that mean that you will be joining us on May 1st and 2nd, Willy lad?
I'm a bit late in responding to ...
Subject: 24 Hour Pass
Posted by: Jock
... Can anybody get in touch with Dave Ronald and Paul Williamson? I will let Kev Proctor know. It would be truly brilliant if we could get more of our year there as it's the Ruby anniversary for Class of '73 ..
Well, you are now in touch.
HI John I've sent you an email to your own address. Best wishes, Clyde (Dave) Hopkins
Nine weeks to go until our Friday and Saturday get-together so. Friday 1st May, meet at the Duke 12.30pm - 1.00pm before taxis to Roa Island to catch the ferry. Ciaran may well be leading a walk from Snab Point and will confirm via here and possibly his FB page. Saturday evening, usual 6pm train from Barrow to Foxfield for the Prince of Wales. Looking forward to seeing you.
Thank you marilyn, I did google him, and it is indeed our Dave. Wow!!
Not surprisingly a major success story.
Hi ..anyone know where Wilf Kimber is these days ? He was married and living in Gleaston a few years ago.
Your post 24 December 2014 would it help to know Dave is now known as Clyde Hopkins, a painter. You could google him.
Anyone know what happened to the fragrant and delightful Ms Susan Burr ? Is she still in the boot of Mr Eatons MG Midget ?
Only thing I could find about his death was an article on the Gibraltar Cricket Club website about a cricket match for an inaugural "Phil Docker Memorial Trophy" in September 2014. From the article it looks like Phil passed away around the middle of 2014.
Whoever posted the info on his photo may know more.
Reportedly deceased from info on the 1971 photo.
Can anyone confirm this and give any details. Very sad news.
Quite a tough cookie at school- lost his front teeth playing football for the school team. [you can make out the stitches on his lower jaw in the photo]
No surprise he did very well for himself, making a fortune in The City. Last heard of living in Gibraltar.
I am going to be in the UK this week, are you still in Barrow?
Interesting video this apart from the pronunciation of Piel.
Another reminder for those who have not yet made plans to attend: Piel Island PU is on the Friday afternoon, May 1st followed up with the Prince of Wales at Foxfield on Saturday evening, May 2nd. This is a Bank Holiday weekend thus additional time to recuperate afterwards! All the best for 2015 and we look forward to seeing you at either one or both of the gatherings.
Mike, fantastic, fun to see my detective work pay off!!! look forward to hearing from you.
Hi mike Hopley here still alive nearly kicking
Not playing cricket any more retired gracefully
Sorry to hear of the demise of BGS
I got your letter John Green will be in touch
Thanks. Manage to identify you both!!
Genealogy is my hobby and for a lark I reconstructed Brian's tree.
Ask him if he knew his grandfather was born on Piel Island!!
Ask him to get in touch with me at email@example.com
Brian is in the green jumper with snowmen. I have the White rugby shirt with lion motif. I was at bbgs 71-76
I've just been perusing some of the old Atlantean Hoard. Great stuff. I'm so sorry I missed all that repartee and bulls***. Anyway is Ron Burns still a contributor, he will have been at BGS the year before me.
Thanks for responding so quickly. Checked out the photos at the carol singing but couldn't detect a 16 year old Charnley lurking behind any of the visages!!!, and as I don't know what you look like even as a 16year old perhaps you can give me a couple of clues, clothing or content. what years were you at BGS.
John, Brian and togga definitely still around. Brian is a good friend of mine, still teaching English part time usually in foreign schools though back in barrow at the moment. You can see a few pics of him and me leading the singing at vickers rugby carol service this year www.vrufc.co.uk and click in the social diary area toggga lives in kendal I think but gets to town regularly
I was at BGS 1958/63. just thoroughly enjoyed this site. Must make it to Foxfield next trip. Anybody know if Bernie Eales is still with us.
I was at school with Togga Mason, Ian France, Dave Hopkins, Mik Carver, Brian Charnley et al. Would kill to see some of those guys again!!
a gathering at Lisdoonie 7.30 for a drink
The old Skool has gone, but there are rumours that demolition contractors found the Porn Stash of my Nemesis, Ashworth RP, under the wooden floor tiles of Form 2B. They took this to the Girls Skool to read whilst demolishing this building, but the good Lord saw how vile this material was and sent down a lightening bolt to destroy the building on fire.
Just to confirm, the Piel Island 2015 trip/shindig will take place on Friday, May 1st. The long afternoon spent on the island/in the Ship Inn this year was fantastic and we hope that even more of you will be able to make it this time around. Hopefully, the seriously advance notice will aid those who need to make plans. In case of inclement weather preventing us crossing, we have sorted the Queens at Biggar village as a fall back option. See you all then.
Drove past today. Now just a layer of rubble. Girls School is still standing.
The Prince of Wales is in the CAMRA list of the top 16 pubs in the UK and in with a chance of winning top pub
Okay, Ciaran. Knew there was an issue on the 8th....it is the K2B so we are looking at the 1st May. Guess that is Bank Holiday weekend too so a great time to have it.
Ciara, slight change, day will either be Friday 1st or Friday 8th May 2015. Can we assume that the tides are still BGS PU-friendly on the 8th, please?
Thanks, Ciaran. Looking like Friday the 15th then and we should be able to arrange later ferries back with the longer evening. Will be in touch with various lads, revert and we can then finalise.
Friday 1st and Friday 15th a walk would be possible setting off from Walney after 2.00 pm if anyone wanted to do it. Ferry of course would be available anyway
Great pictures, Sass and many thanks for taking the trouble to take and upload them. Always good company and many laughs were had. Great to see some first time and surprising visitors enjoying themselves too. Just in the process of finalising dates for the Piel trip next May and based on almost unanimous opinions, Friday is certainly the best day for it.
Another great night at Foxfield and the photos include the evidence of Ciaran's fire starting abilities!
Enjoyed meeting up in the Prince of Wales last night.
You did well, Ciaran. Sass will, no doubt, provide photographic evidence in due course. In the meantime, can you please check the tides for the first and third Fridays of May 2015? Thanks.
Have a good game at The Strawberry, Ciaran. See you at the station after, hopefully, another AFC victory at Holker Street.
If anyone is in town and doesn't fancy the round ball game, I'm refereeing Furness 1st XV at 3.00pm then up to foxfield. Usually a few old boys up there.
My my, hey hey
Rock and roll is here to stay
It's better to burn out than to fade away
My my, hey hey
A more suitable end than demolition....
9-15 pm Sunday 7th September 2014.
Out in a blaze of glory?
yeah... Nick Hooper... with Livesey... and Ian Thompson in the brief classroom scene. A snatch of the Eaton-mobile as well. Go figure...
Jesus Where did that come from? I'm on it and Tony Williamson and Paul Ryder from My year plus I think Nick Hooper with a very girly throw at the basketball backboard!!
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Just a quick reminder, folks, about our PU at the Prince of Wales, Foxfield on Saturday 13th September. Meet Barrow station in time to hop on the 18.10 (there is another train at 19.35, in case you miss it). Note final grub orders across the bar are at 7pm. Last train back to Barrow is at 22.15. The rejuvenated Barrow AFC are at home to Leamington that afternoon, k.o. 3pm with an easy walk down to the station afterwards.
"Pathetic" - - -but still wasn't the worst,hahaha.Crab at his best?
John Dance was at Buxton.I can't remember Tez & the Party 7 though?
There will be a few of us out and about on Friday night, Pete. The Blues night down at the House of Lords (Bar Continental) may be worth a visit later on in the evening.
Still thinking of coming up for 13/09 for Foxfield.
Is anyone going to be in BiF on Friday (12/09) for a jar or two?
Looking back at posts about Buxton 74. I remember the crowd getting angry and started throwing stuff because The New York Dolls didn't show up. Tez McKee got hit on the head with an empty Party 7 can I recall. John Dance was there as well I think.
Hi Ciaran...no we went to Liverpool yesterday and visited nine of my favourite pubs from student days :-) Back in Worcester today.
Great match on Monday night ....let's hope for more of that.
you still around Neil, I'll be out for a beer tonight up at Vickers Sports Club
In Barrow for a couple of days...may go to the match tomorrow evening. Anyone else going?
Saw a few BGS lads at Boston v Barrow last Saturday, none of whom have been to a Foxfield gathering before. Hopefully, a few will make it this time.
Every night now I walk through the school in my dreams, righting the wrongs of the early 1970's.
Following demolition of the Annexe/Gym, they have now started to pull down that end of the Boys school.
Wilf Kimber tried to convince us that Cumbrian poet Norman Nicholson was just as worthy as TS Eliot. If it wasn't for Wilf Kimber I wouldn't even know about TS Eliot anyway! He introduced me to 20th century poets and for that I will be forever grateful. I haven't been to any of these reunions so far, but will try to get to Foxfield on 13th September- as long as Gary Glew is going- he owes me a pint.
Shame.I'm in Ireland then, fishing with another Old Barrovian, Brad Fleet. One day I'll be able to make it again...perhaps :-)
Just to confirm what quite a few of you already know, the next BGSB trip to Foxfield will be on Saturday 13th September. Usual trains from Barrow railway station. Please note that Barrow AFC are playing at home that day in a league fixture v Leamington. Looking forward to seeing you all on the day for a few ales.
In response to Charlie Watlings post,there's a tale to tell.I'd asked my parents if I could go to watch Rod Stewart & The Faces at Buxton,to receive a definite "no" response off my dad.I then,a few weeks later,came up with a plan. I asked if I could go Youth Hostelling in Derbyshire with the school? Dad replied "yes-how much?".£15 I replied,£15 I got.HAPPY DAYS !!! On the Friday morning,myself & Tom Curwen set off hitching in the rain,were lucky,& a few hours later found ourselves outside Buxton Town Hall,where we met up with,amongst others,Tez McKee(R.I.P.),Pete Gibson,non Grammar school lad-Mike McCormick too.We had a go at pitching a tent,but due to adverse weather conditions,it was a poor attempt.We entered the festival & found a huge tractor tyre which I spent most of the festival inside,covered with "plastic sheets". The festival was great for the music-Horslips,Man,Lindisfarne,Mott the Hoople,Humble Pie-all bands I loved,but then came my heroes-The Faces. They started to sing "I wish it would rain",with the line:-"sunshine,blue skies - - -" & the clouds pareted & it stopped raining ! The weather was simply awful,the field just a mudbath-& with no tent to kip in ? On the Sunday we set off to return to Barrow,with not a cent between us.We jumped the train to Manchester,got off & then jumped another train to Barrow - - -both with no tickets,alighting at Roose-where there was no guard,nipped across the tracks & were on our way home. On arriving home,my mum asked me how the youth hostelling went at Wensleydale-in-the Vale(the first name I could come up with !!!),I told her it was brill-a bit of rock climbing,a bit of canoeing etc.She asked "why did Ian Brown come round yesterday morning on Mr. Eales instructions,to ask why you hadn't turned up for the school football match,if he knew you were youth hostelling?".Before I had a chance to respond,my dad tossed the Sunday morning paper at me & there,on the front,was a picture of me & Mike McCormick sat in the aforementioned tractor tyre !!! -sh-t up,in our dufflecoats. RUMBLED !!! Get out of that one PK ! I hastily made the retreat to my bedroom & locked the door,as,I think,if dad'd had his way,I wouldn't of seen Monday ! Great memories,one of many with a great set of lads.
Re. subject title: Although I was a year below him I don't recall him being called David Barber at school. Am I wrong or did he have to change his name for Equity reasons?
Buxton 1974- a cracking friday night with Lindisfarne, Man and Mott the Hoople. As the music ended and the beer ran out me and my mate Vid Gardner found ourselves sleeping in the open air on a Derbyshire moor - no tents, just sleeping bags and a bit of plastic. It was cold and it was pissing down! By mid afternoon the next day we were getting pretty demoralised- cold, wet and running low on supplies we were thinking of heading home.
Then as we were wandering about deciding when to go we saw some familiar faces. We saw a group of BGS lads, not from our year, the lower sixth but actually 4th formers , two years below us.
As we got chatting we got on like a house on fire- our mood changed and we stayed for the rest of the festival. They were a great bunch of lads and we had a great laugh. I seem to remember there were eight of them. Paul Kell I definitely remember, I declined his offer of a cracker barrel sandwich! I am pretty sure Ian Lowden. Ian Dacre, Ern Clark and Dave Howie were there. I think the others were maybe Pete Gibson , Tez Mckee and possibly Tom Kerwin. I know a few of these lads were at the last reunion which unfortunately I was unable to attend but I hope to meet up with some of you at a future event.
Back in July 1974 I set off with my mate Vid Gardner for the Buxton Music Festival- a two day extravaganza featuring Mott the Hoople, Man, Lindisfarne and Rod Stewart and the Faces among others. One slight problem was that it started on a friday, which was a school day, me and Vid being in the Lower Sixth at the time. Another problem was that we were hitch hiking to Buxton and didn't fancy being seen in Abbey Road with our thumbs out on a school day. This was brilliantly solved by getting the bus to Ulverston and starting our hitch from there safe in the knowledge that we would not be spotted.
How wrong we were! As we stood at Ulverston roundabout around 9-30am a familiar blue Maxi approached and as it got closer the domed head of the driver became clear. Moonhead!! He didn't even stop to give us a lift!!
We'd seen him but had he seen us? Of course he had. The following monday our parents received letters asking why we were absent on the friday and had we been to a pop festival? The upshot was a couple of bollockings from Moonhead and form teacher Ron Horrocks and 20 sides.
Where was moonhead going? Apparently he went to some school up the Lakes every friday morning leaving Cash and Stoker to do assembly'
Shortly after Moonhead left us we got a great lift all the way to Altrincham and easily got to Buxton by mid afternoon.
Stag Dolomite shurely..
I seem to remember Ron Horrocks had a red Saab which was quite unusual in Barrow in the seventies.
I also seem to remember his car being the subject of an acid attack. This turned out to be an accident as a couple of lads, Ian Donachie and Massey poured some acid onto the window sill in the biology lab to see what would happen. What happened was the acid slid off the sill onto Horrockses car which was parked below!! This was a big scandal at the time, Donachie and Massey being portrayed as the Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris of their time.
Have you pencilled a date in yet Mr Chops?
Ron... A couple of years ago I was at the Lifeboat Fair on Roa Island and amongst the jumble for sale were some nautical charts.. the owner Ron Horrocks!
I toyed with the idea of buying them and having some quasi black mass incineration.. but they were a little expensive
Martin. As for who placed the advert, credit where credit is due. You got the Christian name but the surname is from a Hebridean Island. Good to see that the beer menu has improved over at Piel. Has anyone started a list of pubs that have closed in Barrow since those halcyon days of the 1970s?
p.s. I can't help thinking that SAD 15T would have been a more appropriate number plate for Ronnie.
To Martin Ashworth and 'London Calling' : I'm impressed, nay amazed, that you can remember the cars that teachers used to drive some 35+ years ago. Ronnie Horrocks used to live around the corner from me (he lived on Yealand Drive, i lived on Dane Ave), he drove a small hatchback whose last 3 digits of his number plate read 10N (i.e. ion). I often wondered if this was an early example of personalised number plates or a happy coincidence. Co-incidentally his (former) house is up for sale for 250k.
Talkin of cars, duz anyone remember when the 1978 leavers 6th Form put Colin Hamer's prized Blue Morris Marina (Estate) up for sale in the Evening Mail, then several people rang him up to enquire wot the price was? He was so cross apparently, that he was put off "Marital Relations" with the delectable & fragrant Mrs Hamer, the only Woman I've ever met whose breath could kill a ferret at 300 paces (or Bernard Eales). I'm not certain who actually placed the Ad, but whispers are that the lad in question is now a serving Commander in the Royal Navy. Only Whispers of course, I'm sure they aren't true.
Old Gym has gone, rest to follow shortly. 114 new houses to b built, price range £215,000 to £440,000 so plenty of affordable housing for the well off people of Barrow! Barrow Council cudnt b thinking of the Council Tax they wil charge could they? Surely not ? New running track also takes away huge swathe of green belt. That was kept under the radar as well.
I seem to remember Moonhead driving a blue Austin Maxi. It seems a pretty dull car looking back and come to think of it it was a pretty dull car at the time! A headmaster [or the modern equivalent, Chief Executive or Director of Education or some such poncy title] nowadays would not be seen driving anything less than a top of the range BMW so why was Moonhead driving such a poxy car?
After a bit of research I have come to two conclusions. Firstly there were very few decent cars around in the early seventies. Secondly, the Austin Maxi was actually held in high regard at the time.
There does not seem to have been much choice when it came to choosing a car in those days. Ford, Leyland and Vauxhall had most of the market share. There were a few Jags around but very few foreign cars. Emlyn Hughes and the rest of Englands 1970 World cup squad were all given a courtesy car for a year- they got a white Ford Cortina 1600 E each!!
As for the Maxi, it was designed by no other than Alec Issigonis of Mini fame. Its most famous owner was probably John Lennon who managed to drive a white Maxi into a ditch in the Highlands of Scotland while on a family holiday with Yoko and children. He was so impressed with the Maxi that on returning to his country home he had it mounted on a plinth in the grounds.
Having once owned a British Leyland car years ago, a Morris Marina which you didn't so much steer as aim, I can only imagine the Maxi was a bag of sh**e. A view shared by Ringo Starr apparently who on buying Lennons house when Lennon moved to New york immediately had the Maxi deplinthed and crushed!!!
Apparently they are building 50 houses on the site with the most expensive going for 450k!
I never knew Barra was such an affluent town. I'll be disappointed if they don't name the road they're built on 'Moonhead Drive'.
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Spoke to a former BGS lad the other day whose firm are valuing the contents of the two buildings before they are demolished to make way for new housing to be built by one of the developers responsible for properties on Rating Lane. Sad.
They haven't knocked it down yet - but they will.
I've just seen the article by Chris Blackhurst. Have they really knocked the old place down? How very sad. As he says, it was by no means perfect, but I wouldn't be where I am today...etc.
Great pictures again. Apologies to all for not making the Piel Island expedition. How lucky we are to have our own photo-diarist who only posts non-incriminating images!!!
Great to meet up with Gazza Glue and I.P. Downward (doesn't everybody?)
Is there some more long-term planning going on within the inner circle for our next foray?
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He used to be brilliant at Cossack style dancing. Have you still got the balance for it Carl?
It is Carl, Neil - well recognised!
Looks like a great couple of days were had. Is that Carl Swindlehurst second from the right on the first few photos from PoW?
Another good night at the Prince of Wales, Foxfield. Northern Rail managed one of the two trains this time, providing a bus back to the Duke of Edinburgh.
Fantastic day out yesterday at Piel. Ciaran's walkers were half way across from Snab Point when we found out the ferry from Roa Island could not run as the waters were too choppy. The King of Piel came to the rescue of the Duke of Edinburgh brigade, sending his cohorts of 4x4s to Snab for an exhilarating ride across the sands to his hostelry. After a great afternoon's food, ale and banter, the King took us back to the mainland, this time by boat. A memorable day was rounded off by a few more drinks at the Clarkes Arms, Rampside- and more still round Barrow! Northern Rail permitting, we're doing it all again tonight at the Prince of Wales, Foxfield. Trains at 18.10 and 19.35 from Barrow, returning on the 22.15 to Barrow and the Duke of Edinburgh. Here's a few pictures- great to meet up with everyone and look forward to the reunion tonight!
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There is a split developing in our group as to ferry or walk, but I intend to to walk. See you there Ciaran 12.30 ish.
Good on you, Ciaran. Forecast now looking decent, see you over there.
Based on the BBC forecast it should brighten up this afternoon so I'm going to walk. The wind should be behind us and if it rains you'll get wet on the ferry anyway.
Will be at snab point at 12.30.
Thanks "anonymous" for the info re Dave S. Sadly I'm just not going to be able to make it this weekend. Hope there'll be another one before Summer is out.
Ciaran, if the walk is on, see you in The Ship around 1.15 - 1.30pm. If weather is poor, see you in the Duke prior to the taxis to Roa Island. The Ship is kindly providing a ferry in addition to the public one that which operates regularly. Bosun's Locker at Roa will be open too if we have to wait a little. Roll on....now on the train up from Euston and looking forward to a spiffing time!
Neil, Dave S will there on Saturday.
An update to Mr Dacre's post on 6th.....
Mrs G now refusing to go to to Barrow on the grounds "it is always pissing down".
So we will only be 4.
Sorry, can't make Friday as I will be at work !
Ian, I'll post on here Friday Morning. Provisionally I'll be there at 12.30. Forecast isn't great at the moment so will make a decision on the morning.
Premature key stroke :-)
Kenny Richards? Dave Shaw, maybe?
Anyone from the class of'76 going to PoW on Saturday? Kenny
What time does the walk from Snab Point begin? Potentially 5 (and dog) need to know. I need to be informed.
Hello, Dave. Of course 'former teachers' are allowed and certainly more than welcome. We have had the pleasure of Phil Bond's and Dave Kelly's company on previous occasions and look forward to yours. Can you make it to Piel Island on Friday?
Dear Mr. F Chops
Are former teachers allowed ???
I will be at POW on 10th in the afternoon anyway so hope to see some of you when you finally arrive. I think some of you still owe me lines !!!
£900k for 80 years of blood sweat and tears? Did Mr Myers buy it with a fraction of his fortune, to preserve in aspic? If not, why not? We demand to be told :-(
Just a quick update. Slight tweak to the plan for those not joining Ciaran's walk from Snab Point. Meet in the bar at the Duke of Edinburgh anytime between 11am and 12.30pm and we can then take taxis down to Roa Island and catch the ferry. This gives a little extra time to those who may be travelling to Barrow or have stuff on that morning. We should then get to Piel around the same time as the hardy walkers. Those of you who cannot make the DofE, see you at Roa Island or in The Ship Inn. It is going to be a cracker!
Jimmy, if you wish to join us on our Piel Island bash on Friday 9th May or the following evening at the Prince of Wales in Foxfield, you will be able to sing those lyrics with us.
You can find the lyrics here
Could anyone tell me where I could get the lyrics for this tremendous piece of musical history?
I only just noticed Ciaran Trainor's message below about the opportunity to visit the school on 10 January 2014 - I missed it by 3 months. Shame. Very recently the idea occurred to me, so I contacted the council and spoke to someone in the Nan Tait building, but I was discouraged from visiting due to there not now being electricity in the buildings... and the possibility of asbestos, whether that's true or not.
Did anyone visit in January and get any photos from inside? If possible, I'd love to see any photos.
Consulted with my mate who spends a lot of time over there and on Friday 9th it is safe to walk between Midday and 16.30.
Would provisionally say start at 12.30.
Would make a decision nearer the time if the weather was good enough.
If it was windy and raining it would be no fun at all but a nice stroll on a good day.
The walk from Snab point takes between 30 and 40 minutes.
Best done in bare feet as it is basically mudflats.
Snab point is around 1/2 a mile from the south end caravan park just opposite sheep island.
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Thanks for this, Ian. Bumped into Messrs Lowden and McCusker at Colwyn Bay v Barrow recently and they indicated they would do their level best to get along. Pleased you are all planning on joining us. Re the sands walk (and ferry back, of course) over to you, Ciaran.
Gang of Four attending: Pete the feet Gibson, Spoons Lowden, Kieran McCusker and myself. Can't speak for the others but I'd like to walk the sands. Details of the walk would be appreciated.
Think you were always nailed on anyway, Ciaran! Great idea about The Concle, by the way. Quite a few of us used to go down there some Friday nights during the Lower Sixth. Some ale and a few games of pinball as the pub had a table in the posh end. It was also Cash's local and he regularly brought his wife in for a drink on Fridays and engaged in some idle chat with us. This was pre-Sampson and pre-Battle of Actium and Moorgate crash re-enactments thus he was still able to engage with us in non-apoplectic discourse.
I'll be there Mr Chops!
Still looking at the option of walking over from Walney if anyone is interested, though I'll check the tides again with a friend who does the trip virtually every week and has a cottage over there.
I've never had a pint in the Concle so that has to be the place to go straight after!!
I'll be working in the beer tent on the Saturday afternoon at Vickers Sports club, Keswick Barrow walk Day.
If any Visitors are wondering what to do Saturday afternoon prior to Foxfield get yourself up there, you never know what old acquantainces you you'll bump into usually a few hundred milling around all day.
Allen are you still planning to do the walk??
Sorry I have been 'off the air' for a while! Allen Jones contacted me and gave me the link back to the site.Margy and I would have enjoyed very much the visit to Piel Island but unfortunately we are pre-booked that weekend to host grandchildren for a couple of days over the weekend. I had a very nice letter from Steve Spencer at Christmas, and one some time ago from Tony Marsden, who were students of mine at BBGS in the 70's.I remember those days with you all with great affection. Let us know when the next 'gig' comes up and we'll do our best to be there...We do spend quite an amount of time out of the UK.
All good wishes: P and M
Not too long now until our Piel Island trip on Friday May 9th, meet Roa Island for the ferry at noon or join us in the Ship Inn in your own time. Some of us will be gathering in the Duke from 11am prior to getting taxis at around 11.45am.
The landlady of The Ship has requested an approximate indication of numbers. This is not because they expect to run out of hand-drawn ale, so do not panic. As there is no electricity on the island and therefore no real refrigeration, it is to help the pub try to manage demand for fresh food. It will aid matters if anybody who has not already indicated to us their intention to attend could do so via a note on here. Thanks.
However, do not let this affect any last minute decisions to show your face on the day. We are simply trying to help our hosts feed us all as well as they are able.
We should be heading back around 6pm and no doubt, a trip around town will be on the agenda for some.
Saturday evening, we will be heading to the Prince of Wales at Foxfield on the 6pm train from Barrow railway station, Northern Rail permitting.
Looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible that weekend. Good company and plenty of laughs guaranteed.
Hi Ian. Pete was a big fishing buddy of mine when at BBGS. He did his year in India and came back with a very nasty dose of dysentery that "bugged" him for quite a while. In 1980/81 we shared a flat in Chelsea and he spent most of the time enjoying London whilst I was doing my MSc ha ha! He became a postman in Barrow and did that for many years. I last saw him at St Mary's Hospice in 2000 when he was very ill, but still full of the spirit for life that he always had. RIP Pete.
Having just watched yet another Harry Potter movie, it finally occurred to me that someone on the production team must have some first hand experience of BBGS as Severus Snape is definitely an amalgam of every charcoal cloaked martinet that swept through the hallowed corridors.
I'm a new browser to the site and was saddened to learn that Pete Delaney is dead (in 2000 apparently). I'd be glad to hear from anyone who could tell me what he did with his life. I liked old Deloony a lot. I didn't know him very well at school. He was a year, maybe two, above me.
One night in the Ambrose he told me of his plan to hitchhike to India following the old hippie trail through Turkey and Iran. I was so entranced I wanted to go as well but uni beckoned so my time was very limited. Nevertheless he kindly took me along as a hitch hiking partner for the early stages. We set off from Barrow and got to somewhere in Germany before I had to turn back after 5 days or so. This would be the summer of 1978? 79? I lost touch thereafter and haven't heard much about him since.
I believe he made it to India but I have no idea how long he stayed or what he made of the way of life there. Nor have I any idea of what he did with the rest of his life.
Thirty odd years later, I remember his exuberant smile, his eccentric mannerisms, his mad-cap antics and his infectious humour with real fondness.
Any old news about him would be appreciated.
Thanks Chris. Sean Barker was his pal. What became of him?
I was a friend of Philip's(he was in the year above), and I still have books signed by him that he gave to me when he left BGS. He was clever, funny, smart Ė and very kind. Not remotely interested in sport (hence he did not get on with that many boys). Extremely well-read and erudite. His father was a tailor, a close friend of my grandmother, a milliner. His dad was an East European refugee who came here penniless. His parents were heartbroken when Philip died, they never recovered Ė indeed my granny always said his dad died of a broken heart. We lost touch but I was shocked to discover that when Philip died he was living just around the corner from me in Stockwell. London being what it is we never knew we were living so close. I became a journalist and later joined the Evening Standard, then part of the Daily Mail organisation. It was a tribute to Philip that despite his youth when he died, he was remembered fondly there. He had a great career in journalism ahead of him. Very sad. Subsequently, I've been asked to judge the Philip Geddes prize for wannabe Oxford journalists which I do with pleasure.
Ian, the person you're referring to was Sean Barker.
Phil Geddes was in my A level English class. I wouldn't call him a friend. He was too cultured for my crew. Whilst we were listening to Hendrix, the Who, Dylan and Jefferson Airplane, he was listening to opera and musicals. I recall him being a big fan of Barbara Striesand in the sixth form. That set him apart from most. He would regularly bring records to school (La Boheme, Gilbert & Sullivan, West Side Story etc). Where he played them I don't know - maybe the music room - they certainly would not have been tolerated in the 6th form common room where Spoons Lowden's generously donated Beatles' album, Oldies but Goldies (but Lowdy's), dominated.
I don't remember him having many friends. I regarded him as a pompous prig but perhaps I was ungenerous. Perhaps that was his way of rebelling, of standing out from the herd. His great pal at the time was a very bright lad whose name I forget, but who went on to Cambridge to read English. Those two were the top English students in the class. They would regularly swap books, all classics (Austen, Dickens et al) whilst we lesser mortals read Kerouac, Joseph Heller and sci-fi.
In writing this I realise I liked him more than I thought possible. He just got to the cultured stuff before I did. And what I mistook for elitism was probably just precocity.
His father was a tailor, ran a small shop in Barrow, the only "bespoke" tailor in the town.
PS: Can anyone remind me of the name of his pal? He would have many memories, I'm sure, if he's still with us.
just read the m ashworth version of events leading to my head wound courtesy of bobby punton .the whole class were having a riot when punton cheesed off with what was going on declared the next person to make anoise would be leaving the class .i was sat near the back just in front of jimmy caldwell when jimmy started making noises causing me to laugh .bobby came down the classroom and to my surprise grabbed me and headed for the door,i thought he was coming for jimmy .he then decided to eject me from the class but in his excitement he forgot to open the door.i ended in the corridor bleading from my cut eye when stoker channing came out of the classroom next door to ask me what had occurred to which i answered that bastard puntons thrown me through the door.contrary to what m. ashworth says i wasn,t caned by moonhead for bleading all over his floor but taken too fgh for seven stitches.moonhead had retired when this happened and hamer was topdog.i remember being told that trevor jones had gone through punton like a dose of salts calling him all the names under the sun for what he had done to me ,good old trev always was and still is a top bloke.as for what m ashworth says that this probably made me the man i am today how would he know?ive not seen him since the day i left but can be sure that he is still the same pompous stuck up prick he was at school
16 years and nobody has noticed about 20% of the 1976 photo has been missing from the get-go .....
I hope he doesn't mind me posting his email address here.
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Steve, Mr Bond does visit this site and has even attended one of our get-togethers at the Prince of Wales, Foxfield. He may even be thinking about the Piel Island sojourn in May, who knows?
nyone have a contact email for Mr Bond? I was in his Music O'Level class in 1976-8. I only took it at the last minute as I joined the School from Wales in the fourth year. My friend Alistair Hull persuaded me to join him in the music exam group and I had a great time. I left to live in Newcastle but took A Level Music, then a degree and now am a Music lecturer at Wolverhampton University. - He had an enormous influence on my life and career but we have not met since 1978 and I would like to thank him. (not least for the naughty jokes and funny stories.
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..or was it Tiny Diamond.....the memories are fading!
John it was Ernie Diamond who used to do the ferry...at least he used to do the fishing trips.
Tony the Caulker was the edge of the dancefloor leerer at the 99 Club.
Hope your the John France who went to Chetwynde in the early 70s ?, not to worry if not.
Are you the John France that use to go to Chetwynde school all those years ago in the early 70s ?, hope you. But if your not, not to worry.
Thanks to Ciaran for the post of 10th Jan re school visit. Had a quick look around, realty strange. There has been many changes, not surprisingly, but the classrooms still have the same frames and doors!! Just had a few licks of paint over the years! The building looks in a poor state, and it is easy to see why it is coming to the end of it's life, sadly.
Come on, John, gat yourself down for the weekend, lots of lads up for this one and a good catch-up and lots of laughs will be the agenda. Will be great to see you.
My contact email for anyone that remembers Philip Geddes and could share some memories of him with me and wouldn't mind myself and my mum using those comment to help oxford university put together something about Philip, can email me. my email is firstname.lastname@example.org
Victoria, I didn't know him personally but perhaps you should leave a contact email on here so people could respond in private.
Many people look at this site but never contribute.
PARKVIEW SCHOOL - FORMER GRAMMAR SCHOOLS
LAST CHANCE TO VIEW
I have been asked by many to arrange a viewing of what were the former Grammar schools, more recently known as Parkview school.
At my request, Cumbria County Council has very kindly agreed to open the doors on Monday 13th January 2014 from 10:00 am.
This provides all interested to visit and also to take photographs of these unique, buildings before they are put to other uses or worse demolished this note was recently put on Facebook, short notice I know organised by local counncillor Ray Gusselli
Dunno about the Piel trip as May's a long way away and now my parents have shuffled off their mortal coils I don't often get back to the megalopolis but its tempting as its a long time since I've had a pint on Piel. Hope Tony the Caulker isn't still offering 'pleasure trips' over there though.
Hi I stumbled across this website while looking on the web for anything I could find about Philip Geddes. My mum was a really good friend of his when he was living in Barrow. she attended the 30th anniversary of the Harrods Bombing on 17th December.
I am just wondering if there is anyone on here that went to school with him and if there is could they share any memories of what they can remember about Philip.
Oxford University are looking to put together a piece about him and want any memories from anyone that remembers him.
Will we be seeing you on May 9th, John? Looks this those not walking over with Ciaran will have a pre-meet in the Duke from 11am before taxi-ing down to Roa Island to catch the ferry around noon. Building up to be a grand day as this one appears to have caught the imagination of many.
Haven't dropped by for a while and was shocked to hear of Dak White's departure, always impressed by him being suspended by the Moon for having long hair (a kind of weird Dave Hill (Slade) budgie cut if I rember correctly) and then returning with a number one crop and being promptly re-suspended for having short hair - respect!
Just found a photo of the BGS Athletics Team 1972. Who do I send the scan to for the archive or do we have a file upload somewhere?
Thanks for spotting that Craig- great picture which I hadn't seen before. Very rural at that time!
If they do pull the old place down I doubt it will look like it did before it was built..... <a href="http://www.southlakes-uk.co.uk/userreq2011/barrowpark1908.jpg" title="Before BGS" target="_blank">www.southlakes-uk.co.uk/userreq2011/barrowpark1908.jpg</a>. Note the hill in the background hadn't collapsed at this time.
Perhaps we could have a caption contest for the current homepage cartoon? Ist prize could be exemption from the Barrow Keswick walk.
My entry would be ' Dave woke up each morning dreaming of Karen'
Allen, I vowed never to do it again after mistakenly putting deep heat instead of vaseline between my legs at a first aid station east of lake in 1984 and then it hailstoned as we passed the Red Lion though I did finish it.
Next years walk is the same weekend as the next planned get together.
Lets just stick to the walk over from Walney to Peil, which I have offerred to lead, on Friday 9th May. I'm sure Chris could turn that into an editorial masterpiece.
I've been a regular supporter of the walk ever since and adopted my position at Vickers Sports Club from around 2.00pm in the beer tent (as a volunteer barman)to watch the limping masses hobble in and enjoy their free pint.
We could then get the train up to foxfield.
Believe me you do not want to try this unless you are fit and have no ankle/knee problems which after 40+ years of rugby I know I have.
A few of us are trying to put together a team of 12 to do the Keswick to Barrow walk in May next year
The idea is to enter our team into the competition for the team to raise the most money and donate whatever we make to a local Barrow cause. In this way we would be giving something back to the town which has given us all our start in life. I originally thought that this was a bit too physically challenging for me, but I agreed to do it because the cause is a good one.
So far, participants are myself, Chris Blackhurst, Derek Willison-Parry and possibly Mark Williams. All of us attended BGS between 1970/71 and 77/78
My email address is email@example.com
I hope to hear from some of you soon. Letís hope we can raise a team and win.
Ciaran, your name has already been mentioned as someone who might actually be able to make it to the end.
John Maddrick RIP
Started BGSB 1970
You come on here after a few months (ok, nearly a year!) and see Ciaran's post of
February 28,2013 and associated link. I'd almost forgotten about that gig. Great memories though. Sorry to miss the September bash. Piel outing sounds good though. It's in the diary ;)
I was there from 1972 to 79 under the legendary Moonhead. I recall a day when Paul Ayres had had his head put through one of the small classroom windows that bordered the quad, by an irate "Bobby" Punton. He had been talking, when asked not to, and was also sent out of the class to stand in the corridor. Bleeding profusely from the head wound, he was then approached by Moonhead, who took him back to his study for a further caning, as he had left blood all over the floor of the corridor. Harsh, but fair we all thought. Probably made him the man he is today.
I was in the year below Dak at school. I first remember him as a skinhead before his trademark long hair became established. Through mutual friends and mutual interests [music and Barrow AFC mainly] I got to know Dak and hung round with him in the mid-seventies. At this time his dad got a new car and gave his old car , a blue Ford Corsair, to Dak. Dak was living in Lancaster at the time so his dad drove the car to where Dak was living and left it with him with instructions to get himself a driving license, some lessons and insurance and away you go. Dak followed his instuctions to the letter apart from getting a driving license, some lessons and insurance. I visited Dak in Lancaster shortly after he got the car and he drove us back to Barrow on the M6! He then parked the car a couple of streets away from his parents and repeated this with whenever he visited them. Having a car in Barrow was very liberating. Daks only problem was that he was unable to do right hand turns so any journey had to be meticulously planned in advance so only left hand turns, where you did not risk being stranded in the middle of the road, were used. I don't know what happened to the Corsair in the end but Dak was involved in several minor accidents notably when he drove into a cul de sac hit a couple of cars and then drove out again pronto. Dak certainly had his own way of going about things.
A few years later when I finally got round to driving myself I took a leaf out of Daks book. Living in a village with a second kid on the way I could no longer face the hassle of using buses so I got myself an old Ford escort and started to drive it! Okay I did get a license and insurance and tried to get people to sit with me if available otherwise I drove on my own. I saved a fortune on lessons and when I did take my test I passed first time as I was used to driving on my own. I always referred to this method of self teaching as The Dak White School of Motoring!
I saw Dak from time to time over the years mainly at Barrow soccer games and we would always have a brief friendly chat. Sadly I never got round to telling him that he taught me to drive.
Sadly I couldn't make Daks funeral.It would have been nice to pay my respects and catch up with old friends
Gaz nice to see you here too :-) A E D
Hey Jeff, dont know if you remember me but I sat in for Derek occasionally when you guys were rehearsing in the front room at Clarence Road. I had no idea what I was doing but loved it anyway. Would love to hear those tapes
I have many fond memories of Derek. He was the kind of guy that you could bump into after not seeing him for five years and the crack would continue as if you'd just nipped out to the loo or something. He was one of the most intelligent people I knew, a great supporter of the local scene and very much his own person. Miss him loads
Derek dak Whites funeral will be at the crem monday at 1pm followed by a get together at the Ambrose where it all began for a .lot of us
Marie (bree) Richards an ex partner of Dak and Lin Corkhill a good friend of dak are making arrangements and hoping to arrange a gig for after.
If someone can rescue the Skull archive we could host bits here.. as long as the site stays up.
Sounds really good Jeff. I hope there is somebody local who could perhaps rescue these sources, and try to get it re-worked as Dak wanted. There are a few of us out here who would get a kick out of listening to this stuff. I am not sure Dak has any family in Barrow to look after things. It would be sad to have it all disposed of by the council.
Sorry to hear about Dak.
We formed his first band at school called the Skull which threatened to disrupt the morning assembly with an impromptu appearance, but which never quite materialised.
The Skull's finest hour was an attempt to sink Barrow Boating club
at a Haloween spectacular of noise and smoke. The final number was announced
and the lights slowly doused to allow Dak to don druid's hat and a wizard's
cloak before launching into an anarchic 'Masters of the Universe' in front of an astonished gathering of assorted witches, ghouls and apple-bobbers.
I last saw the man in July and we nostalged and moaned as failed rock gods do before he announced he had discovered some old C60 cassettes from our early days rehearsing in the garage and tormenting the neighbours. He gleefully informed me that they were to be 'digitised' onto his laptop and then
who knows... the internet could be the beneficiary of our discordant chaos, or maybe even a CD ROM containing two hours of re-worked re-mastered mayhem and a front cover featuring his dayglo grinning skull logo painstakingly created in the school Art room.
The town is a little quieter this morning.
Sad news. Kind-hearted intelligent guy and a musician.
Just seen on a local musicians site that Dak White died this morning.
You are right, Ciaran, planning ahead is the key and will ensure a fine turnout. The content of your final sentence should convince any doubters. Assume you will be taking the day off work!
Now that's planning ahead!! If you really wanted to be adventurous, you could get taxis to Snab point on Walney and I could lead a walk over to Piel. Tides look about right and it takes around 40 minutes. just roll up your trousers and walk barefoot then get the ferry home.
The food over Piel is excellent these days as is the beer.
Following on from yesterday's update, it can be confirmed that the next gathering will be on the 9th and 10th May 2014. For all those able to attend the Piel Island trip, we will leave Roa Island on Friday 9th May around noon though of course folk can join us during the afternoon courtesy of the regular ferry. More details to follow for both Friday and Saturday events nearer the time. Hopefully, this gives people plenty of notice to plan and get the dates in their diaries. The Piel event should be a cracker.
As Sass mentioned, we had a great night touring the ale-houses of Barrow on the night of the 14th September despite Northern Rail's best efforts to scupper our evening. However, BGS lads are made of stern stuff and the a good number of local boozers made hay once they were over the surprise at such a large group of blokes walking in.
It was such an enjoyable evening, it set us off talking about our next get together, in May 2014, dates to be confirmed soon. The idea is to have a weekend double-header. On Friday around noon, we plan to head over to Piel Island using the local ferry. This will allow for wandering around the island plus a bite to eat and a couple of pints in The Ship Inn with a late afternoon return to Roa Island and Barrow. Saturday itself will feature a night out in the usual style though with a possible change of venue.
Barrow "Grammer" Skool is in Brighton?
im doing my family research and have come across a herbert victor ansell who taught at barrow grammer school for boys in brighton in 1933 if anyone has any info on him or a photo please get in touch thank you
Despite Northern Rail's attempts to undermine our evening by cancelling two trains to Foxfield, we overcame the setback with an exploration of the back street pubs of Barrow.
Here's a selection of pictures.
Cheers for a great night out!
I went to BGS from Sept 72 to June 79 just as political ideology killed off the old school. Have great memories of Mr Bond who was my first form teacher in 1B who like some others before me he detected my lack of musical talent but encouraged me in other ways and was an all round top bloke. I now live in Perth, West Australia and run an importing and retail business. A few days ago a customer knocked on my office door and within a few sentences we figured out we were both from Barra. And then we discovered we were both ex BGS but he was from the Sam Price era whereas I endured Moonhead and Hamer. As others have stated its a bit special when in a far flung corner of the globe to Old Barrovians meet up. We may have escaped but Barra is still in our hearts.
Not to worry, Neil, good luck with the move! We hope to see you again next time.
Was going to try and get there (return from Holland on the 14th) however I now have to transport my middle daughter and her paraphernalia to her house near UEA Norwich (starts her second year) on the 15th. I seem to recall that last year's do was in October.
A reminder regarding the Foxfield gathering on Saturday 14th September. See you in the concourse at Barrow station around 6pm for the 18.10 though if you are very thirsty, there is an earlier train at 17.25. Anyone arriving later can hop on the 19.35. It is worth pointing out that food can be ordered at the bar up until 7pm though as the place is always so busy, your plate may not arrive for some time. There are, however, some serious compensations as the Prince of Wales entry into the CAMRA 2014 Good Beer Guide testifies. Last train back to the Duke from an exceptionally busy Foxfield platform is at 22.09. See you there and wishing you a safe journey, from wherever you may be travelling.
Apparently some debate as to what should be done with the BGS site - my suggestion would be to turn it into a secure unit for asylum seekers as this would involve minimal architectural change and also provide employment opportunities for ex-teachers though of course the terms of employment would be a little harsher with none of those long summer holidays! But on the other hand there would be added perks such as an opportunity for casual sadism not enjoyed since the 1970's.
Ciaran is right - we should resurrect it. This in article I wrote for The Independent. I hope it strikes a chord.
I guess resurrecting a grammar School would be out of the question!!
From last night's "Evening Mail"
Save BGS. I was there from 1955 - 1961. It wasn't just any old school but the source of a great education for many of Barrow's young people who went on to better things . Not only did we get learning we got wisdom and a huge pride in all things Barrow. Knocking it down would be a monstrous crime.
I've added around 90 more pics taken tonight to my album of the school building tour last October.
There is a petition you can sign to ask CCC to save the Grammar School buildings here:
save the grammar school(s)
dont let the wreckers have it dammit
did anyone see the episode recently with Dave Myers and his mate from BBGS Ron?
Apparently they built an airship together when they were 16 in rons back garden. Mad Mal would have been proud of them.
Wasn't he the angler with all the best gear that money could buy in the 1970's?
Yes, I will be staying over but not sorted anything yet. Can anybody get in touch with Dave Ronald and Paul Williamson? I will let Kev Proctor know. It would be truly brilliant if we could get more of our year there as it's the Ruby anniversary for Class of '73. Does anyone know where Graham Turner aka Beanhead/Nipper or Martin Waite are?
That's cracking stuff, Jock. Will you be staying over? Am sure many of the regular crew will be in attendance plus more new faces, I hear on the grapevine. Everybody welcome for a relaxed evening of ale and laughs.
I'm in. See you all on the night for a spree of hi-jinks and imbibement.
Good to see that postings on here are now possible again.
Okay, lads. Whilst quite a few of you know already, next gathering at Foxfield is on Saturday, 14th September. Quite a few have mentioned going on holiday during August hence us holding back the evening. Hope to see lots of you there (usual trains from Barrow station, around 6pm is best especially if you want to eat).
Best wishes to one and all.
Saw this pic on Barrow-inFurness in old photos facebook page with fellow old Barrovian Ian Henderson
Mr. Chops: No I'm not. 1968 was before my time, I was at BBGS between '75 and '79.
'79/'80 was unfortunately spent at ParkView, hence my enquiry about the survival of some Grammar schools and not ours.
Wooly, are you by any chance Peter Hughes, form prefect for 1G in the Winter term of 1968?
Living in a Lancashire town that still has a grammar school, (and there are several remaining in the Red Rose County : Blackburn, Clitheroe, Kirkham & Lancaster for example) I was wondering why our school was closed. Obviously it was a political decision but at what level? The Labour govt at that time were ideologically opposed to an 'elitist' education but why did BBGS (and BGGS) perish when others have thrived? Any views welcome.
Jimmy was one of my teachers at Abbotsmead junior school. Does anyone know what happened to him ?
I was at Barrow Grammar School from 1035 to 1941 or so. 'Sam' Olley was teaching the and 'Baldy' Hudson 'Hooky ' Raymond and Yezzo Walters , Douggie Lewis had just started Chemistry. Sawtell taught Geography and 'Dollie ' Loten english.
Classmates were Bob Horne, Gus Rogan , Jimmy Knight, Joe Newby, Bill Ruth Dunn, and of course many more. We had a good rugby tem 'Tut' Spencer quarter backing
Here's wishing you all had a great Christmas, and we wish you a very happy and successful New Year.We might see you in 2013!Philip and Margy
A very healthy, happy and prosperous 2013 to one and all fellow Grammarians.
I like that
Sorry for the short greeting. I found this website by pure chance and it's great! I am keen to hear from some old pals, if only for them to remind me what i was like as a teenager. So...Ciaran - get in touch, Neil Chalker - get in touch, and any one else that I should remember.
Contact me at firstname.lastname@example.org and I will repsond.
Is there anybody there?
Mr Bond My 1st form teacher and influence on my life 'Williams you are singularly the most tone deaf I've encountered I suggest you drop music at th earliest opportunity' I did, he was right, I did 24 years in the RAF as an engineering techician I'm still tone deaf but now my children echo Mr. Bonds sage like words.
Between 70-71 my dad was working in the Brooklyn Navy Yard.. his pal Barney Heaps once struck up the school song in a NY bar. Some local said he didn't like it and told him to pack it in. There was a brief discussion outside and Barney returned to the piano to resume the rendition. The song has travelled.
Here's a silly story for you all..
Stood on the touchline shouting on my lads at the Edmonton leprechauns rugby club (Canada) one day when I was approached by a guy who recognized my accent...You from Barra, he said...Aye said I...What school he said...Barra grammar I said...Never he said, when? Oh about mid sixties I said...Never he said ..who was the head master? Can't remember I said...You never went to bloody Barra Grammar he said and walked away. Later in the bar I bought a jug and walked over to where he was standing...I topped his glass up leaned over and whispered to him .....Sam Price
He smiled from ear to ear..
We drank a lot more that afternoon and even had a go at "Autumn gold and winter weather, summer dew and bluebell spring...." not your usual rugby song but it was a blast...great that the old barrovians get all over the place.
Anybody out there........from my years, culminating in our only World Cup win which I remember enjoying with a few just recently left BBGS mates. Pictures of The Swamp on this site recently brought back great memories for me.
Delighted to see this site back up again ( or maybe it just eluded my search for a while ?? )
Never fails to bring back memories.
Pleased and impressed to discover that this site is still up and running. it's been a few years since I posted. Very sad to hear about the death of Jim Montague, but what an innings! More proof that walking, especially hill walking, is good for you. He once told me I was an 'enigma'. He was probably right about that too.
And Wonk of course..
It was great fun. Thank you for organising. Sass, Basher, Bonzo, and yes, Beanhead - who needs boring real names?
I also enjoyed the day and good to see some "new" Faces.
I really will have to pace myself better on the Real Ale next time. I'm sure Mr Williams will too!!
Many thanks to all who organised and attended on Saturday. It was an interesting, friendly and emotional occasion. The school tour was a nostalgic trip back in time, starting in uncharted territory through the door of the Girls' School and continuing through familiar classrooms now used for completely different purposes. The doors, corridors and quads were little changed- and the views from the windows likewise, apart from the encroachment of the Academy building under construction. Stuart performed a sterling task as guide, giving us the time to reminisce and perform "Outward Bound" in the school hall, the acoustics greatly enhancing our efforts. Here's a brief clip of the final verse and chorus:-
Very enjoyable night at Foxfield, I really enjoyed it and it was great to meet you all. Thanks particularly to Jamie Hill for the welcome and Dave Shaw for being the only other person there from my year!
Apologies for my singing :-)
Just noticed that the Furness Model Railway Club are running a vintage Barrow Corporation bus trip for Model Railway exhibitors tomorrow night, as part of the weekend event at the Barrow Sixth Form College.
Location is Prince of Wales, Foxfield. That pub is going to be packed!
Cheers F Chops. I would have loved to go round the old school but will be travelling pm, may only manage to get the post 7pm train,will have to see how it goes. Got a fishing session up the Lakes early on Sunday morning so it's just as well that the last train back to Barrow is at 22:09
We hope the get-together will be fun! Sorry that Margy and I cannot join you all this time round. All good wishes. Philip
'Ned'Brockbank has arranged an old lads tour of the remaining BGS buildings for this coming Saturday at NOON prompt, meet school front door. Sorry about the last minute nature of the notice, it has only just been confirmed. Should take around 90 minutes or so. Because a (current)staff member needs to be involved we will need a whip round for £25.00 to cover labour costs!
Those of us so inclined can then amble off to Holker Street for Barrow AFC V Dartford prior to the 6pm meet at Barrow station for the train to Foxfield.
Will be good to see you at the Prince of Wales, Neil!
I'm hoping to be there, although I doubt I'll know/remember any of you!
Hello there, Allen. Yes, the 'get together' is definitely ON and we look forward to seeing you. We are also hearing rumours of a possible BGS tour this coming Saturday though this has yet to be confirmed. My understandfing is that if it does take place, it will start at around noon thus giving reasonable recovery time for Friday night party animals.
Can anyone confirm again that the Foxfield get together is still on for this Saturday as per F.chops recent post. I'm Coming up from London for it.
Please accept this belated tribute to Jim. He was one of the great science teacher's during moonhead's reign. His unique approach calmed even the most squeamish during various dissection excercises and the long double periods were always tempered by the wonderful tonal qualities in his voice. I recall his anatomical diagrams were superb,making them easy to copy (even for me).
Jim must have inspired hundreds of boys to pursue a science career or at least take their studies further.
This might be of interest to some....
This flickr account contains BBGS pics from the 1950's.
A reminder concerning the Foxfield event on Saturday October 13th. Most convenient train leaves Barrow Central at 18.10, next and final train is at 19.35. Hopefully many of you will be at the Prince of Wales for a night of good ale, grub and banter.......plus, no doubt, the odd song.
I believe he qualified as an actuary and went to work in Germany for several years. He's now married to a German woman. I've heard that he returned to the UK a few years ago and now lives in the London area.
Congratulations to Pete Thomson's son chris on his Olympic selection for the 10,000m, Hope you've got a ticket Pete
We were indeed sorry to learn of Frank's illness: he was an excellent teacher,friend and colleague. It is very sad that he is now under hospital care. Has anyone any news of the whereabouts of his son Paul? He may well have left the Furness area, of course.
Guernsey is just as wet and windy as the UK - no beach weather for the forseeable future...
All good wishes,
P and M
Have a great summer in Guernsey.
Hope you are all well. We enjoyed the recordings of the evening at Foxfield.
Philip and Margy
Frank Bispham has, sadly, developed Alzheimer's disease. He was admitted to a residential care home at the end of May, and celebrated his 77th birthday there earlier this month.
Jim, sent you an email with Richard Scott's Details, I'm sure he is involved
I am trying to make contact with a member of the Old Barrovians Association. email email@example.com and Tel 01229 831822.
Interesting article from esteemed alumnus Chris Blackhurst - seems to have caused a ruckus
Just back on here on Ciaran's suggestion, after neglecting the site for a while and was saddened to hear of Jim Montague's death earlier this year. What a solid bloke he was with a fantastic and droll sense of humour, plus great tolerance of idiotic pupils shooting Fehlings Solution up the lab walls.
I always liked Biology as a subject due, in the main, to Jim's encouragement and teaching style. I remember much of what he taught me and that helped me encourage my eldest daughter who is now coming to the end of her second year studying the subject at Lancaster University.
RIP Jim, another "good guy" leaves us.
Right chaps, next gathering confirmed for Saturday October 13th. Plenty of advance notice to allow plans to be made or changed accordingly. Hopefully, as mamy of you from the April bash as possible will attend together with other lads looking for a good night of ale and nostalgia. Get the date in your diaries now, folks.
There is also talk of Ned organising a school tour sometime over the summer prior to (shock, horror) the BGS buildings being demolished to make way for the Furness Academy. No doubt there will be news on this filtering through to this forum in due course. Suspect that the day may end up with a PU so do watch this space.
Great to see everyone though head was sufferring the next day.
Credit is really due to Phil Watson who runs this site and Jamie Hill who picks the days.
For those of you who didn't make it why not next time? What do you have to lose and let's bring more school reports! I'm suprised I got any O Levels after reading my early efforts summed up by Mr Bond my first form teacher.
"Ciaran is not pulling his weight for a boy of his ability"
Excellent videos, Philip and Margy. They really capture the atmosphere. Many thanks to all for a fantastic evening.
Dear All, here are the links to four videos of the evening at the Prince of Wales in Foxfield. Margy and I thank you for a wonderful welcome and a great evening,not to mention the hearty singing of the Grammar School song which brought back many memories to me as well as you. It was just grand to meet you again after so many years and we finally managed to do what we had planned. It was good that the piano was serviceable and it was lovely to do the accompaniment for everyone who really put their hearts and their good strong voices into it. My especial thanks must go to Ciaron who linked us up.
Saturday evening was a remarkable event and a big well done to all who attended, including a good number of first-timers (though they were definitely not new faces). Having two teachers there, including Dave Kelly, further added to the magic of the proceedings and there is no doubt that Mr Bond brought the house down with his professional and loving accompaniment and additional musical entertainment. His teaming up with Steve, a Tech lad who played the mouth organ, delivered a gripping piece of blues to further add to the musical diversity.
As for the quality of the singing, who gives a fig? It aint 'Te Deum' is it? It is all about the moment. Do remember too that even the greatest choirs aren't at their best when their members have each supped a gallon of ale prior to the performance.
Cracking time had by one and all and special thanks go to Mr Bond who made a major effort to be there. Thank-you very, very much.
Next event planned provisionally for mid-October.
Sorry I missed the gathering.. pressure of work. The singing quality was on a par with last years effort. Very nice to have Mr Bond at the piano though. I most post that video when I get a chance.....
Here's another video of Mr. Bond playing Scott Joplin at Foxfield.
Thanks to everyone for such a friendly get-together last night. Fantastic- and the icing on the cake was Philip Bond leading a rousing rendition of "Outward Bound". The years rolled back. Can't wait for the next one! Hopefully you'll be able to view the attached:-
This is making me feel a bit homesick after 38 years downunder last week.I've never been back.
It's good to hear that PJB is still going strong.I haven't done any music for years but recently got into doing Karaoke. I do the long songs, like sultans of swing and brain damage.I might even get back into the violin one day.
Hi, Found your website by accident and it brought back many memories. Really sorry to hear about Monty and others who have left this world. I'm trying to arrange a reunion for those who attended BGS 1965-72 and would be grateful for any help in contacting likely candidates. My email is William_Mullaney54@hotmail.com. Like one of the contributors I, too, recognised many of the faces in the school photo but need help in contacting them.
Sorry about signing myself 'Philip Philip!' Typing gremlin, I'm afraid. P
Thanks for your kind messages. We have booked in a guest house in Ulverston and hope to see you all on this Saturday evening. I have a couple of copies of the School Song,but hope you might have been able to download a copy from the web.We should be there in time to eat at 7pm.I note from Jamie that we should order by that time. Let's hope we have a straightforward journey! We are looking forward greatly...
All good wishes,
Was Gary the son of ex-Barrow keeper Fred ?
Awfull news about Gary,a truly decent footballer in our pretty ordinary school team (sorry guys).
Liked and respected by all who knew him
I also hope to be there. About time I made one!
I think I will drive up from London especially for this
I would love to see Mr. Bond again
He was a great influence during my years at BBGS
My brother Ray might come as well
Allen (Bonzo to some I guess)
Sad news indeed Kev, I'm sure we shall raise a glass to him on Saturday.
Makes you realise, you never know the day so enjoy every day and if your unsure about saturday just turn up, you might just enjoy reminiscing about the good old days!!
Regret to have to tell fellow old boys that Gary Else (1970 - 75) died today aged 53.
Gary had suffered with Cancer of the liver 12 months ago and following treatment was given the all clear last May. Took ill again a few weeks ago but condition was in-operable.
Gary moved to Blackpool originally in about 1981 and then moved to Swindon where he has lived for the last 20 years. Gary leaves behind his wife Sue and 3 children in their 20's.
Sorry all will not be bale to make Foxfield on 28th. Unfortunately will be out of town so will not be able to attend the game at Holker Street.
Jamie - do you still think the current Barrow forwards are better than Cowperthwaite, Diamond and Gamble......
Dear F Chops,
Thanks for the message: I am busy on Friday, so we would probably travel up early Saturday morning. It's about four hour's journey from here.
We can keep in touch by email re.timing etc.,if you prefer. I'll keep you informed as to our progress...Glad it's still on. We'll probably drive to Foxfield, but it will be great to have a glass with you all. We may have quite a bit to catch up on!
All good wishes,
Of course it is still a goer, Mr Bond.....wonderful news. See you there though the train or taxi is advised! Mail sent.
As it happens, I shall be free on the Saturday 28th. and up in Ulverston with a bit of luck, so that we can be at Foxfield that evening, if it's still on.It'd be nice to have a break in Cumbria for the weekend. I can bring the music! What do you think of the idea? I'm sure Margy, my partner and I would enjoy meeting you all again very much. Let me know asap if it's still a goer. Please email direct to: firstname.lastname@example.org
All good wishes,
Would be great to see you at Foxfield one of these days. Your presence would also mean that we would have somebody competent on the Joanna to relieve Kieran....
I just thought I would let all you ex-students of mine how much I appreciate the fact that you are still belting out the school song when you get together! It's nice to think it still survives, after many years.I have very fond memories of the boys and the staff, and I am particularly sad to learn of the passing of a number of friends and colleagues. I heard, not too long ago, of Phil Eaton's death, who was a great friend of my wife and I.
I do get to hear, occasionally, of alumni from the School and how they have progressed in life. It's very heart-warming. I am,of course, retired from school teaching, but still get asked to do some playing or choir-directing...
My partner Margy and I wish all of you well, and hope to see you some time in future.P
Just a reminder about the Foxfield PU on Saturday 28th April. Train from Barrow at 18.10 (and one at 19.35 for the dawdlers). See you all then.
Hi Philip, your dad was amazing and I was really sorry to hear the news. It was through jimmy that I became interested in biology which is what I do now.
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James (Jim) Montagu 1920 - 2012. The family were pleased and surprised at the level of support to my mother - Joan. At the funeral I was able to recall his days in Hull upto 1960 when he studied for his BSC at night school/ long rides on the tandem with my brother Robin in the sidecar/ learning to ride my own bike/ my first electric train set and learning to train spot from the bedroom window on the busy line that passed our house.
The 1960's and our move to Barrow brought out the best in Jim for hill walking and running as he was at his peak performance levels in terms of stamina. After a camping/climbing holiday in the Cuillins we took a break at Fort William - naturally Jim climbed Ben Nevis twice in one day! Dad was an enigmatic one off - Health & Safety rules now would not allow the adventures today. Whether it was the Lakes,the Penine Way,Scotland or the downs of the Isle of Wight Jim would have a target to achieve in his head.
Dad's death was a slow lingering affair - I prefer to see him scree running in Wasdale (Although I don't suppose that is not allowed today?!) or perhaps popping his head round the door, telling my mother he thought he would go for a "little stroll" only to end up in Coniston!! RIP Dad love Philip.
ANYONE KNOW HOW OLD BERNIE EALES IS NOW ?
MY GYM TEACHER 1959-1966.
I AM 64 NOW SO BERNIE MUST BE LATE 80S EARLY 90S ?
For those wanting their own copy of Outward Bound, I've scanned my copy and put it here: http://www.incrediblyuseful.net/bbgs/outward-bound.pdf. Not sure if the copyright expiry is 2013 or 2033, either way I'm stuffed, lol
A good send off for Jim today. What a full life he lead. Ran into Jonnie Bristow at the service, Dave Kelly, and Mrs Fry. Also in attendance a rather tottery Bernie Eales.
Damn. Great loss.. I hope there is a good turnout.
DECENT GUY-HE LIVED TO A GRAND OLD AGE.
Sad news- ex-Biology master Jim Montagu died last Sunday, funeral Thorncliffe Crematorium Monday 12.15.
I found this link on line
embedded in it there is an address for the
Cumbria Archive and Local Studies Centre, 140 Duke Street, Barrow
It seems they that in 2010 there were new accessions as follows
Barrow Grammar School for Boys: log books, admissions registers and photographs 1786-2000 (BDS 11)
Barrow Girls' Grammar School: staff and admissions registers and photographs 1894-1977 (BDS 18)
just mentioned it in case it helps anyone...I might go and get the full set of school photos for 1971 to 1978
140 Duke Street
Tel: 01229 407377
Fax: 01229 894364
Cheeers, Allen Jones (Bonzo)
Here is the link Jack
have been looking for recording of Outward Bound for too many years.
where best at?
I remember Phil Bond's music lessons c.1973 with Allen and Craig on guitars leading us all through the Strawbs' "Lay Down". Happy days!
You had to be reminded?
And where is is this iphone video? Surely it should be uploaded..
I could add the other video.. though the singing was ... well pretty awful...
I was in the foxfield pub at Christmas, when I was painfully reminded that I was actually Allen "bonzo" Jones....it turned out to be Ciaran Trainer who was with Billy White who apparently I used to fight with back in the day (1971-1978)....which I don't remember...(he probably beat me senseless)
I was sober then in Foxfield...but not for long
We ended up singing the school song...which I now know seems to be a common thing in the Prince of Wales
Funny thing is....this relates to an extremely powerful time and an unbelievably strong school
Maybe I didn't turn out to be a musical hero but, I've played a lifetime of Music since then and to thousands of people in pubs and clubs. Now my daughter does the same and I still have a recording studio
I think I have Phil Bond to thank for a lifetime of fun. I wonder if he appreciates the effect he had on us?
funny old life
By the way, I am currently sat in my front room in High Wycombe Buckinghamshire with Craig "Goofy" Stevens and my Wife and kids
We just watched Phil Bond on video playing the school song...and yes we are sober
I also recenttly saw an Iphone video of loads of you singing the school song on the Foxfield train led by Dave Myers....(not necessarily in tune)
Anyway, I would like to be informed if there is another Foxfield event. I have a house in Rampside now to which I hope to retire...so I can travel up to make it
My email is email@example.com
Mobile 07775 518676
Allen & Craig
"Bonzo" and "Goofy"
Now what we really need is a former music teacher to come up for a few beers and play in tune!!
Saturday, April 28th, usual trains from Barrow Central.
Also, Barrow AFC are at home that day, last game of the season v Newport County, kick off 1pm, therefore plenty of time for a drink or a nap beforehand if you attend the game. We look forward to seeing the usual lads and a few 'new' faces too.
Outward Bound received an enthusiastic ovation from other drinkers and especially the landlord last time round. Well done to Kieran for his splendid efforts on the Joanna.
Hi all BBGS Guys from classes of 66/67,
I am still here,just, and living in Manchester. The old school photo of class of 67 is great. I am amazed at how mnay of the guys I can still name! Went to a reunion at the Lisdoonie around 99/2000 - can't remember the exact date.
I have just looked at the 1971 school photo and see that Andrew (Billy) Clark who was in my class has died; how/when? as he would only be 50?
I will be jetting in from the west coast just for the occasion.
Well actually on a cattle train from Whitehaven as I'm Reffing up there.
John, will you be putting in an appearance on the 19th? Rumour has it that Jackboot is bombarding you with emails and convincing you to join him on his own PoW debut night. We look forward to seeing you.
Nice little test off the bbc wbsite, just scraped in.
Don't remember tham being that hard!!
Right then, lads. Next Foxfield gathering, usual trains, is on Saturday November 19th. A good night is, of course, guaranteed at the Prince of Wales.
Also, Kieran, Barrow AFC are coincidentally at home to York City that same afternoon. A brisk walk or even a slow drudge dwon Holker Street after the match will get you to Barrow Central in plenty of time for the train around sixish. Mebbe even time for a swifty in the Duke beforehand.
Spread the word, please. As has been pointed out previously, we'll all be dead soon enough.
ANYBODY OUT THERE FROM 1959/1966-ALL MY AGE NOW OBVIOUSLY AND 60ISH-UNBELIEVABLE REALLY-WHERE HAVE THE YEARS GONE ?
Well the turnout could have been better but those of you who missed it certainly missed a treat seeing the webmaster in his "girls uniform" and flying helmet.
I'm sure Jamie will organise one again when the soccer are playing at home so do yourselves a favour and turn up, we'll all be dead soon!!!
Ah the old geriatric prolapse ploy! I thought some of you looked a little hollow around the cheeks.
You cheeky sod Dorian. I was distressed by singing.. and lack of pitch.. this I put down to tripping over my colon as I went for "here am I!"
I have seen the Foxfield video.
My, aren't you all getting old?
It made me feel positively sprightly again.
I do have the original tattered hymn book somewhere, and I also well remember Brian Otto's solo descant on the third line of that hymn! Wish I could be at Foxfield but unfortunately, although I will pass the Prince of Wales on the train early tomorrow morning, I'm heading for a weekend in Newcastle- hope you all have a great time.
"Bruce" has agreed to add his voice to the proceedings.. and will kindly take care of the recording technicals...
If we are doing a recording... I request a rendition of Hymn #45 which I reckon would be "He Who Would'st Valiant Be".. though Sass may have the original hymn book and confirm this... oh and "Thy Kingdom Come on Bended Knee" --- of course featuring the Otto Embellishments;
Looking like a decent crowd of lads for next week. Safe journeys to those travelling from afar.
Benny, I was no genius: "D" grade A-level, but I still conjugate now and again, or perhaps "decline" is more appropriate now; o the joys of "Triennium". Much respect to Danny Kaye, tho'. Take care, Mike Williams 1961-1968
Train departs Barrow Central at 18.10 (there is a later one at 19.35 for stragglers). Hope to see Mr Rushton on the station conxourse around 6pm. Will Stoker's son-in-law turn up? What are the possibilities of Phil Bond turning up with a mobile Joanna? Song sheets will be made available.
All systems go, Ciaran. Looking forward to a proper night out.
Work hasn't taken me to worcester for a while neil but if we do I'll let you know
Hi Ciaran are you still visiting Worcester? Will be up in Barrow next on 1 to 3 July then for a week with the family in late August. POW will be on the list of things to do, as usual.
So Guys are we still on for this???
Subject: Prince of Wales
Posted by: F. Chops
Following the success of last Saturday's binge, the next planned get-together is Saturday 18th June, usual trains. This ought to give anybody that is interested, ample notice and planning time to sort what may need to be sorted. Would imagine that most of the reprobates in attendance this time around will be looking to a repeat performance in June. The prospect of the pub's special 'Breweries Weekend' and another potential guest appearance by the 'Kirkby Twins' should keep all those lads who may attend, pretty happy.
Kevin, remember me? We spent all our school days at the same two schools, North Walney as well as the Grammar. Along with Arthur Williams we made the transition to the "big" school back in 1962. I keep in touch with Jim Simmons and have mailed Colin Withers (Wibs) who is (was) trying to improve things on this site with regards to names and other info on photos.
Willigogs, would you be the latin genius of our time? I could never get to grips with that subject despite the encouragement and enthusiasm of "Danny" Kay. Two years was two years too long for me I'm afraid.
Tried again to add some names (including my own) but no joy. Real shame as each time I visit, I find more. Willigogs - vague memories of playwill be intouch. Now 60-yr-old nostalgic myself.
Reminisce of the 60's A-stream, anyone? (I know Jim Simmons, & now Kev Wilkins, are out there). Kev, remember a great form play you(?) wrote and I was "the colonel", (Ken Boyce was I think the colonel's lady to whom I addressed the immortal opening line: "Well I still think I should have had an extra hour in bed!"); with Richard Kirk eventually unmasked as the murderous sanitary inspector? Get me on firstname.lastname@example.org (Mike Williams, now a sentimental saddo at 60). Jim, maybe you were you in the play, too; (and thanks for all the bellringing!
THIS IS FOR STEVE PICK-I MAY BE WRONG BUT YOU MAY HAVE WORKED WITH MY LATE DAD TOM-ANYWAY WE HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON-NAMED ON THE ABOVE BOARDS !!!
Sadly he seems to have met his end at the ripe old age of 79. A staunch supporter of St Mary's Hospice I believe.
What happened to Phil Eaton then?
Known as Lighthouse or Prune from 1961. Brillant site; hope my updates have gone on. Will vist again with some more.
Did it make the Evening Mail? The source of all Hatch Match and Despatch notices?
Hadn't heard. Interesting character...
No mention of the sad passing of Phil Eaton?
Anyone for a reminisce of the 60's? (I know Jim Simmons is out there). Get me on email@example.com
I've often wondered what happened to my first form master Philip Bond and here he is kindly performing "Outward Bound" for us!
Our first form room (1B) was Music Room P in the relatively new annexe. For a short time I was in the school choir and remember rehearsing songs like Pitfield's "John Mouldy" and the ancient "Matona Lovely Maiden" for the last Speech Day held in the old Public Hall; also Joubert's "Torches", Gardner's "When Christ Was Born Of Mary Free" and parts of Britten's "Ceremony of Carols" for the Christmas Carol services.
PJB had wide-ranging tastes in music, ranging from Debussy ("La Mer" and Tomita's "Snowflakes Are Dancing" electronic versions on record and PJB's own piano recitals) to Satie, Stravinsky, Lizst, European organs, baroque and many points in between. In the music lessons we sang items ranging from "Jonah Man Jazz", "Linstead Market" and "Rumba" to "Joshua Fit The Battle of Jericho".
I also remember Russ Thompson regularly playing the grand piano in the corner of the form room in the dinner hour. He now teaches music himself at St. Paul's in Barrow.
Have to say that looks nothing like Phil Bond to me. Looks far younger than I'd imagine him to be and I'm sure he had dark hair in the 1970's. Pass the gin again.
A pub piano...!? Ciaran... did you not do some studio work a while ago.. with a choir? Maybe we could work out something along those lines.. depending on the number of willing participants.. it would be great to make a decent go of it.
I wonder if the Prince of Wales has a piano?
Excellent performance from Mr Bond!!
Philip Bond has kindly recorded a version of Outward Bound - with vocals.. that should help you all rehearse
Hopefully we can persuade him to accompany a massed rendition of Outward Bound - probably for the last time. Perhaps a high quality MP3 of the music could be distributed worldwide for the scattered old boys to add their local contribution?
Photo name entry facility restored - after long struggle with automated spam. Who are those missing people? Were they photoshopped in afterwards as part of a government plot to cover-up alien resettlement?
So busy worrying about entering the code correctly that I omitted my message.The honours boards are still in place in the hall although God knows where they will end up when the Academy's built and the old school is demolished. Probably find their way to Carlisle like every asset from Barrow!
We are trying to trace the honours board that was erected in your school to honour the achievements of our uncle Charles Dunbar. I can only draw a bow at a venture with regard to date but I would guess at the 1920s We know that the board left the school with him and his mother had it at home for some time. His sole remaining sister has asked me to see if I can trace it for her as the family were intensely proud of his achievements. He was awarded the OBE in the 60s for his work as director of the Fighting Vehicles Research Department based in Farnborough. Yours in hope Michael Selby
There was a picture in the local rag this week of Neil 'Baz' Barrowman (he'd won some sort of competition to do with the hairy biker). Baz gained notoriety in the school photo of 1977 when he appeared at both ends of the photograph by either (a) teleportation or (b) running around the back of the assembled throng whilst the camera was rotating. I believe, if memory serves right, that he was summoned to Sledge's office whereupon he was ordered to buy 2 copies of the photograph!
I actually witnessed the final Cranston "tweak" in the weight training area right outside the music room and I believe he was quickly despatched back to Edinburgh. A few years ago, this was discussed in this forum and a Cranston moonie described it as "all harmless fun".
"These are part of me 'till I perish" (Unfortunately).
Wooly, Don't know where they are now but in October 2008 they were still in the hall.
The occasion was to celebrate 50 years from leaving school in 1958 and 50 years since the football team had a successful visit to Germany in April 58. I think we had 19 for a lunch in Dalton and then some of us visited school.
I came over from Texas and Kev Speakman came over from Hong Kong.
On the same day, the intake from 1952 at the Girls school, were also having a reunion, and in the above album are some of those girls.
As an aside, 1958 was also the year Terrance Mayes left school. I see many of you have memories of him as a teacher. My memories are of a lad with an incredible sense of dry humour. It is a great pity he passed away at such a young age.
Never had much time for the pretentious wannabe a minor Public School anthem 'Outward Bound' and much preferred the EUS (c. Bongo Hemingway) alternative 'The Wild Necro'(sung to the tune of 'The Wild Rover') with lyrics by Graham Twyford et al -
Just discovered this site, great memories of days gone by. Any news of 'Fifi' Faulkner, Terry Mayes, Fred Marshall or 'Tache' White?
I was in the same year as Nigel Featham who posted previously. Haven't lived in 'Barra' for many a year but hope they don't demolish the old grammar school(s) to build the new academy. Wonder what happened to the honours board that adorned the old assemby hall?
Indeed it was a hell of a session. Still had the headache Sunday evening.
I'm sure a few more will turn up even, Stoker's son-in-law Mr Hodgson.
We really should have gate crashed that wedding do at the Duke just to see if he still had his black cape on!!
Following the success of last Saturday's binge, the next planned get-together is Saturday 18th June, usual trains. This ought to give anybody that is interested, ample notice and planning time to sort what may need to be sorted. Would imagine that most of the reprobates in attendance this time around will be looking to a repeat performance in June. The prospect of the pub's special 'Breweries Weekend' and another potential guest appearance by the 'Kirkby Twins' should keep all those lads who may attend, pretty happy.
Sorry Jamie still snowed in up in Bonnie Scotland so won't be with you on the 29'th - latest forecast suggests it might thaw by about August! Hope all is well as I didn't get your Christmas card this year?
The social gathering at Foxfield is happening on the 29th, Ciaran. Think the outward train is at 18.04. Looks like Ned managed to get the message through after all. Thanks go to him. Mr Rushton will be most welcome too if he is about. The raucous rendition of 'Outward Bound' along the railway back to Barrow Central has become something of a tradition during such gatherings and the other Friday was no exception. A further evening of ale and banter will be most welcome and is eagerly anticipated. After the community singing, no doubt refreshments will be served in the Duke.
Blimey you lot!!! Was it really that good at School or has 30 odd years clouded our collective memories?
Of course there were some great things about the times we had there, but there was a load of shite as well!!!! (3 or 4 Teachers fannying about in robes pretending it was some sort of public school springs to mind.)
Still, I suppose I have memories of the great Meal Ticket scam of 1976. (Come to think of it, if I had been reported to the police at the time would I have turned out as the upstanding citizen I am today or would I have turned to a life of crime?)
Ciaran - I've seen that there's a piece in tonight's paper about the OBA - looks a bit pompous - maybe we should just try to get our year together sometime. I've still got my tie!
I hear that Dave Myers and a few friends sank a few at the Prince of Wales on Friday, the day before his wedding, then gave a rousing, beer fueled rendition of the school song on the last train home.
I think Jamie Hill and a few others plan another get together at Foxfield on Saturday 29th, 6 O'Clock train from Barrow.
As I'm up the coast refereeing that day I think I'll nip off the train home and join in. Does anyone know if it is happenning?
I feel this site provides a valuable focal point for memories of a shared youth growing up in Barrow and the unique community which was the Grammar School. It's important (without too much emphasis on any one) that we treasure and learn from the past, value the present and plan for the future.
There's no harbour lights and clustered shipping anymore but it's fascinating studying old photos of Barrow. No matter how fate has intervened and where careers have taken us, our roots are in Furness. It's still one of the best places on the planet to enjoy the autumn gold, winter weather, summer dew and bluebell spring. Unashamed nostalgia maybe but a vital part of life.
I agree time does pass too quickly- we have to grasp every moment!
Came across this post and it summed up my feelings too; yhought it bore repetition
I was interested in Ron's observation concerning the number of people who have shuffled off since the photos were taken. I don't actually think it is more then the statistical tables would predict. Rather that we don't generally study the state of some 600 people at a time. Which may explain why people in general have problems in visualising risk - health risks in particular. In the case of smoking, for example, it is always some other poor stiff who gets the tap on the shoulder.
In an indirect way it leads me into the question of the point of the site. I think for me it isn't really nostalgia - I can't say it was the best of times - though I may shift that view in say twenty years time. Curiosity is the main drive. At the same time when I look at the pictures I get an impression of the brevity of life and how potential may not always be realised and how rapidly it can all crystallise and become fixed.
Those "look who's 40,50 etc" pictures that the Mail seems to enjoy I find quite sinister. Nostalgia, particularly when blended into a day to day immersion in the comfortable and familiar appears to me like a Siren call to lure one from living - at least when defined as the enjoyment of new challenges and situations. Maybe one takeaway message from all these images is that you don't get a lot of time to do anything.
I'm fine thanks Nige- great to hear from you and hope you are also keeping well. Still here in Barrow doing lots of fell-walking.
I was so paranoid about pens and pencils in exams that I always carried around 6 in case the other 5 failed!
I still look back on those days in the 70s at the Grammar School with happy and positive memories. It seems a different era now but one I'm glad I experienced. I made many really good friends there- of course most left Barrow and haven't seen them for over 30 years!
Fred Marshall, my maths teacher and Jonny Bristown, my form teacher in the third year. Wilf Kimber lent my his pen so I could do my O'Level english exam as I had forgotten mine. Memories are made of such things. Hope you are kepeing well Sass.
Can't believe it's now over 32 years since I left!
Nige- I think the most recent still teaching were Dave Kelly and also Mr. Bristow who taught me Biology in the 3rd Form.
Fred Marshall, my form master from the same year, retired a few years ago and I think now lives in Coniston. Both of them accompanied our one and only long-distance excursion- to Hadrian's Wall in 1974. The furthest we'd travelled before then was a Greenodd to Bouth "Form Hike" in 1972 with Wilf Kimber!
Seasons greetings and all the best to all old Barrovians everywhere!
Amazing what you come across on the internet; reading through the posts certainly stirred a few memories. Amazing to think, now the brilliant Dave kelly has retired, every teacher I had is now no longer teaching. Barrow Grammar wasn't so bad was it.
I don't remember that incident, but I was part of the crew who lifted Graham Fletchers battleship grey moggy 1000 up on to said wall and balanced it there - ready to greet him coming out of class. Circa 1977. Salad Days indeed.
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As the Boys' School was 650 I reckon the two schools were probably around 1,200-1,300.
Can anyone on here tell me what the capacity of the two grammar schools was including their sixth forms?
Steve Ward, Jim? Cousins, Roger Barrow, Charlie Pearson, Philip (Martin) Brown, Eddie Fell (avec Renault), Jim Collins, Keith Nutter, Pete Heavyside, ? Roger ? (seated) Glenn Jackson, Glen Harley
Old Barrovians Association
We need to have an up to date posting of news and events for the people who were at the grammar schools and VIth Form College. There is some life left in the association, but numbers attending events dwindles each year.
Any one interested in getting involved please contact
Anyone remember Linda Roach's little Fiat 500 being lifted over the small wall outside the 6'th Form annex back in about 1974/5? I can certainly recall about ten of us lifting the car up and moving it but I'm not sure if we got it over the wall and on to the playing fields and John 'Jackboot' Smart thinks this may well be an urban myth. If it didn't happen it should have done!
..Wheeze...grunt... I do wish you boys wouldn't use profanities, I'm too highly paid and qualified....wheeze...
A 'radiance' of cardinals?? Who made that one up? The pope? As for cardinals' radiance, no doubt this will shine out of their arses.
Don't talk to me about bankers - I just paid in a building society cheque for a HUGE amount - can I access it? No I have to wait 7 days. Those lying cheating self-serving @@@@@@@ don't wait 7 days to take money out of my account, why should I?
"Subject: Collective Nouns
Posted by Thrasher
Wednesday, January 02, 2008 at 10:30:05
Apparently, itís a 'radiance' of cardinals. A Ďconventioní of cardinals makes it sound like a highly organised corporate piss-up in some huge Amerikkkan hotel, surely something that the Catholic Church would not condone?"
What's the collective noun for bankers?
'Pack' has a certain ring to it, don't you think?
With Dave Kelly finishing as head of the sixth form this year I wonder if he was the last teacher at BGS to actually still be working as a teacher??
End of an Era maybe
Its is a couple of years since I looked at this site. I see somebody wanted a classmate of Peter's. I was in Pete's class. I found him on the web some time ago and had a good chat on the phone. He certainly lived in the paper shop on Oxford St, which his father ran. Later another Old Boy, Bill Bartlett, ran the same shop but he sadly died a good few years ago after a career in the Customs and Excise.
I did ask Pete where he came from as I think he joined my class in the second year (1951). Sadly I can't be sure he said Morecambe but I think he did. (Memory is dying). And of course acting was his passion.
I called in on Joe Birrell in Lancaster 3 years ago and sadly Joe, like his sister June is blind due to a hereditary disease. There is a photo of Joe and his wife on my Picasa page if anybody is interested.
Bob spent his life teaching and coaching athletics in the Wirral and lives not far from Jean.
I can't remember where Jack is living but his claim to fame was being captain of Rugby at Nottingham Univ.
Joe was the teacher in charge of our football trip to Germany in April 1958. We had a blast and actually won 3 games. In October 2008, 9 of us celebrated the 50th anniversary at a lunch in Dalton. Joe had made other arrangements and was disappointed at not being able to attend.
Steve in Texas
There was a school on Holker Street (the Secondary School for Boys) but it closed in the 1980s. Demolished in 1989, a Kwik Save supermarket was built on the site. That is also now closed.
The site is dedicated to Barrow Boys Grammar School, Park Drive, since Parkview Comprehensive and now Furness Academy South Site.
There's a school on Holker St?
Is this the school on holker st. or not???
www.urbandictionary.com - all will be revealed! Well worth signing up for their word of the day e-mail too.
That was a new one. We have had Mason Jars.. and now more edification!
A Boston Pancake. Now quick... wipe my mind..
Best memory of Cash is the day he banned us from the Upper Sixth Common Room for the rest of the term after a rather exuberant impersonation of a fairground wonderwaltzer performed by Graham Twyford and Jim Collins using a decrepit armchair (Sampson rather than the Cropley M*nge Chair if I recall correctly)went sadly wrong resulting in a rather large hole in the plasterboard partition between the Common Room and his private bathroom.
P.S. Like the new design for the site but I'm not sure Joe Blow is a Cleveland Steamer kind of guy, I always had him down for a Boston Pancake man!
Images courtesy of:
Cheers for introducing the name search to the Sass archive of sports pics 1973-1977.
Restoration most appreciated,
A moderate dose of 500 drops tonight and then the Hoard
Yes, please bring back the crap.
Any chance of restoring the Atlantean Crap Hoard to the site?
I believe that he suffered quite badly from diabetes, so presumably by now he will have shuffled off?
On the subject of enthusiastic teachers, anyone know what became of "Bongo" Hemingway.
I remember there always seemed to be one day every year when he used to come into assembly wearing dark glasses- presumably after a certain experiment had prodcued a blinding flash!
Came across this interesting passage recently....
As with many people it was a single teacher who enabled me really to be touched by great literature, a man in his twenties called Wilf Kimber, at Prenton Secondary Modern School, Birkenhead. I was in GCE stream and Mr Kimber fired me up about Shakespeare's Julius Caesar, Dicken's Great Expectations and poems by Wordsworth,Tennyson and Browing. Wilf Kimber manifested a love for the novels, the plays and the poems he taught. When reading passages to us you could tell he did. He was no Lawrence Olivier, but you knew he was putting his best into it. There are not many Wilf Kimbers around.
Extract from "Bringing Shakespeare and Classic Works to Children" by Dennis Carter, David Fulton Publishers 2002
I'll get the hang of it soon Phil.
I'll pass the news on that moonhead is back to your deprived correspondents who still live in the old home town!!
The Marriage of the Arnolfini's... rendered in oils .. most likely Johnson's Baby Oil. Roll on the Academy. A center of high learning and lots of prime real estate. It could very well render the old burgh as unlovely as every other retail-parked small town in the UK. What room were you in? I will ask for another next time I am up.
I see the pic on the homepage is up to your usual standard.
Me, I've had an idea for a TV show where we get some rich twit to go and live in Crosslands Park for a week and then give loads of money to the deprived locals. That way everybody would see things the way they would like it to be and not the way things really are.
When I stay in BiF, I prefer the sumptuously appointed travel lodge. The view over the duck pond is not to be missed although the headboards on the beds are often not as scrupulously clean as one would wish.
Did enjoy seeing Glenn Cornick giving it Wigan on the recent BBC4 blues docu series. Such a contrast to his rather conventional appearances on the school photos.
I hear he's due back in town Thursday as the celebrity hooter sounder for Barrow RL's Sky TV game v Batley. I wonder if he will do his famed fainting impressions for Chairman Des Johnson?? Wonder if he ever tunes in to the site? Did Dave Myers turn the gig down as he's too famous??
Actually, most of the article that was in the Evening Mail concentrated on the great times he enjoyed whilst performing at Her Majesty's Theatre. He said his times at that theatre were amongst the happiest memories of his life! It could have been a much more interesting article, with questions asked about other aspects of his time in Barrow (including school). However, I think it's extremely unlikely that he would have been performing at our theatre in the year 1965 because it was early in that year that he burst onto our screens as Steven Taylor, none other than an assistant to the first Doctor Who, William Hartnell. His debut story involved defeating both the Daleks and the Mechanoids. Methinks not a bad career the lad's had - - - - - not many can claim to have been both a Doctor Who assistant AND a Blue Peter presenter!
I do know that Peter Purves lodged at my grandparents' house at the bottom of Thorncliffe Road whilst working at Her Majesty's Theatre.Would have been sometime in the 60's I think.
I know someone who knew Peter Purves and he believes the ex-Blue Peter presenter may have gone to school in Morecambe and moved here towards/after the end of his schooling. Unless someone knows different .... I'm just old enough to remember Her Majesty's Theatre in Albert Street. As a 5-year old (1965) I was taken to see "Pinocchio" there. Don't know if Mr. Purves had a part!
There was an article about the legendary Blue Peter presenter Peter Purves in the Evening Mail the other day, and it made reference to his time living in Barrow as a teenager. I believe his parents ran the newsagents that used to be situated by Oxford Street roundabout. The newsagents was converted into a house only 7 or 8 years ago. Now this may be wrong, and therefore irrelevant, but I have an idea that he went to the Grammar School during his time in Barrow. Given that he is now 68, we would be talking about a period over half a century ago. If he did indeed attend the Grammar briefly, I wonder if there are any former pupils who tune in to this site who went to school with him c. 1955? If so, are there any Grammar-related Peter Purves stories? If I am wrong and he didn't in fact go to the Grammar whilst in Barrow then please don't bother reading this e-mail because it's been a waste of time.
at last - one which we oldies from 60s would know - makes a change - notice many questions relate to the 70s and exclude the rest of us - or maybe that's the intention. Anyway nice to see the site working again and free of spam.
Mwell boy, if you reveal any more answers there shall be strife!!!
Yow boy, see me in my rum after assembly. It's the slightly larger one of the two brum cupboards up the steps at the windowless rear of the hall. Slightly larger than that of my much larger assistant's rum.....
Thanks for that reassurance, Scrutinator. Whilst I must confess that I don't know a great deal about the murky underworld of the Spammers and their dubious practices, my concern was that whilst some of our answers are virtually unfathomable (I mean who outside our circle would ever guess Mr Hemingway's moniker?) there are others such as "Shirley" (Eaton)that are highly guessable. Even the one about the name for the pub on Slater Street could be quite easily uncovered. So, my concern was that if the spamalot gang do break through, we don't want to be leaving all our other clever answers lying around on the site for them to mop up. If that happens, and they get all our answers, the creators of our authentication questions will find that all our "easy" questions have been laid to waste and then they'll have to resort to new and really difficult questions. For instance, "what was the precise address where Wilf Pickthall lived for the first four years of his life?" - - - and seeing as I'm the only one who knows that, I'll find myself getting through to the site and having nobody to talk to. Come to think of it, there aren't many listening now as it is - - -
The question was " S(toker)Channing was an able deputy. I entered the obvious answer "bollocks". Able deputy to whom?
As I only had Jimmy Mont for Biology for a couple of years, I doubt he would remember me. He looked fine enjoying lunch with his wife. I believe he's still in Barrow Ramblers but doesn't go walking anymore. I remember in my first ever Biology lesson he asked the class what a shell-covered creature was called. I nervously put my hand up and said "Tortoise, Sir". He was actually looking for Crustacean!
How is Jimmy? He was the most likeable of them all. Sterling chap. I went up to Dendron for a family funeral yesterday and dropped my mother back in Barrow afterwards. Returning back to the Midlands I saw a tall, skinny white haired figure loping along Abbey Road toward Rating Lane. I had to stop and thank him for getting me through my Geography A level nearly 32 years ago. Yes it was Dave "Gus" Kelly who is now Principal of the Sixth Form College. Still doing a bit of running so he said.
I agree with all the teachers suggested as "most likeable" by Ciaran and Poobogs. I also thought Cash earned respect being firm but fair. I'd also add Alan Garnett and Philip Bond to the list. We started off in 1971 with P J Bond as first form master in the Music Room (Room P in the Annexe next to the Library). Recently decorated and with new desks- in marked contrast to Rooms F and G in the old part where the remainder of our school year were based (with masters Clampton and Kimber). I remember Cash referred to us as the "peripatetic form" as we had to walk around the school for every lesson apart from Music. Sometimes History was the first period after assembly (9.15-9.55). If a History test was pending, I remember hoping we would have one of the extended Chris King/Brian Otto assemblies with the old Grundig reel-to-reel tape recorder which then left no time for said test! Saw Jimmy Mont a couple of weeks ago in Chandlers at Lindal.
Surely Jimmy Mont has to be up there with the most likeable teachers alongside newer recruits like Dave Kelly and Rocky Mounsey. Actually quite liked Cash!!! Dennis is certainley a Barrovian, my Mam remembers him as a kid and he lived on Walney. Bobby Punton was probably also local, I knew his brother who lived on Walney. Dennis was also single handedly responsible for me passing a french O'level. Would never have paid attention with the other french teachers in my era.
Yes Sass, Denis I'm sure was also a pupil. And a definite contender alongside Jim Fryer for "most likeable teacher ever" from the old school. I believe the following were also former pupils. I could be wrong but here goes: Yes, the dreaded RH. Messrs Frank Bispham, Terry Mayes, Mike Holmes, Bill Shepherd, Mike Kirby. Any others anyone?
I'm fairly sure that Denis Clampton was yet another old boy who became a BBGS teacher.
Miss Not, you asked if Jim Fryer hailed from Yorkshire and Sass thinks he came from Pennington. I think Sass is far more likely to be right. Certainly I believe he was from this area because I'm about 98% sure that he also attended the Grammar as a pupil, before returning later to teach. I believe he also had a brother, Derek, who likewise attended the school as a lad. Jim of course was not alone, for there were a good number who went to the Grammar as pupils and then returned as teachers. I think I am right in saying that the characters featured in the last two Trivia questions, Messrs McSweeney and Garnett, also fell into that category. Although I can't agree with scrapping the Authentication Quiz since it stops the dreaded spammers from wrecking the site, I do believe thought has to go into making the questions manageable. They don't have to be too difficult as the spammers won't have a clue. I tried yesterday to get this mail through but the question about a name for Mr McSweeney completely outfoxed me - - he had a few and I tried them all but still I was denied entry. I'll tell you something though Miss Not (is that your real name or do we have to work it out in a very different form of authentication quiz?) you have really ruled out any repeat of the question concerning Mr Eaton since you have spilt the beans in your complaint about how difficult that question was!!!!
Okay, but they have to be multiple choice... and be very, very easy of course (remember who my teacher was). Also, everyone has to participate... oh, and I have to win. Thanks.
Disable the quiz! Fie! I could put some chemistry questions in? As we are running at about 5 comments a year... I reckon we should just leave it.... now explain the electrochemical basis of aromatic meta and para substitution...
No, they don't make them like that anymore... teachers who were teachers til their dying day, whose job was their vocation. Teachers like that just about made up for the psychotic ones. I only really met one who was a psycho... a certain chemistry teacher previously mentioned. I have to say I struggled with A level chemistry, but that man never gave me a scrap of help or encouragement. I remember meeting with Mr Hisom in the college social area to ask him about transferring out of the class. He sympathised with me but more or less said it would cause too many waves. Subsequently, I failed. Funny though that in Mr Bispham's maths class, I managed to get a respectable B, due to his excellent teaching and commitment to helping every no-hoper to pass.
Jim Fryer was a very top bloke. Utterly courteous and good-natured. Splendid teacher. Do they still make them like that?
I'm pretty sure that Jim Fryer hailed from Pennington. That's where he was buried when he sadly passed away in November. He also ran the photography club.
I remember Mr Fryer from the 6th form college where he offered a very interesting Wednesday afternoon course entitled Know Your Car. He turned up every week with various crucial pieces of his own car that he would wave about and discuss in detail. I don't remember much more, except that one can fix a starter motor with a hammer... He was an okay baldie bloke, I thought, plus he didn't ridicule girls like Horrocks did. I have an image in my head of a flat-capped Fred Dibnah character with a Yorkshire accent... Was he from Yorkshire, or are the petrol fumes affecting my memory?
The Local Authority tried to pull that 'super school' con with my children's school here in Scotland, it caused a massive outrage amongst local parents at the consultation stage and was withdrawn in favour of re-fitting my kids' school and building a smaller new school in the adjoining catchment area. Super Schools have pluses and minuses but you usually find the motivating factor behind the authority's scheme is greed rather than educational excellence. If they do sell the playing fields off I think we should campaign for a memorial plaque to commemorate the Charge of the Moonhead Mobile.
Barring any legal challenge to a rather questionable public consultation exercise by Cumbria County Council, plans to build an "academy" in the grounds of Park View (replacing that school, Thorncliffe and Alfred Barrow) will mean that the old BBGS/BGGS buildings will be demolished in a year or two's time. It will be the end of another era- and a rather dubious move to a larger new school of around 1,300 pupils. It will also mean the loss of many of the ex-Grammar School playing fields and the suspicion that one of the best green areas in Barrow, the Thorncliffe playing fields, may be sold off for housing development. Exciting new development or corrupt opportunism ? Take your choice.
My partner was, for many years, surprised at the knowledge of philosophers that I demonstrated during our keenly contested attempts to win at University Challenge - until I came clean and sang her the song....................
I recall Mike Holmes cracking up with laughter when I informed him I was planning to study Philosophy - its just like canned beer he sniggered, all piss and wind!
Stoker couldn't teach Maths properly. I am now a meths drinker. Is there a connection?
I told the Crab that I wanted to be a guitar player. He decided option 'B' was the best course. Thanks.
He told me I couldn't drive a bus, a train, or an aeroplane. Later in Festive Road......
Damn he only told me about option B!!
The game goes on. ...
So how have the spammers managed to beat the Moonhead Trivia Authentication question? I can't believe McSweeney's Careers Advice turned out a spammer, I thought the choice was restricted to either A)Do you want to go to university? or B)Get a job in Vickers then!
wheeze wheeze....the quiz to get in is the best bit - more!! wheeze ...grunt
Shakespeare was a blessed relief after drawing Jane Austen's 'Mansfield Park' and Gerard Manley Hopkins' 'The Wreck of the Deutschland' - God I just wished those nuns had drowned quickly. I certainly believed in Hardy's malign deity after those two nightmares. The highlight of my English course was W.A.N.K.'s teaching of Wilf Owen and the war poets - he even let me bring in an LP of Country Joe McDonald singing the poems of Robert Service so that he could sardonically dismiss them as technically inferior to the poetry of Owen - and he was right. However I stand by Jane Austen as 'tittle-tattle amongst the teacups' and Mike Moore if you're listening up there I still agree Eustacia Vye was 'a goer' and yes I would have!
I don't remember one word of Shakespeare being taught all the way through BBGS which has since struck me as unusual (if refreshing). I had Messrs. Gallimore (1st Year), Wynn (2nd Year) and Mayes (3rd-5th Years) as my English teachers who all seemed to have 20th Century tastes. Books I remember included "Sammy Going South" (1961) and "The Red Pony" (1933) in the 1st Year, plus a smattering of Dylan Thomas poetry. 'O' Level included "Lord of the Flies" (1954), "The Crucible" (1953) and the First World War poets. Anyone else have Shakespeare-free schooldays ?
Yes I was kind of waiting for that... I was far from my reference library over the festive season and just knew I was going to make an enormous gaff. Powdered nail - 1g ; cloves - pinch; cinnamon - 1 stick; sherry - 100 ml cider 1 pint; Guinness - 5 pints; directions to Big Ron's final resting place; Riverdance CD; leotard; large amount of diuretic. Nigella's Christmas Treats p145
Apparently, itís a 'radiance' of cardinals. A Ďconventioní of cardinals makes it sound like a highly organised corporate piss-up in some huge Amerikkkan hotel, surely something that the Catholic Church would not condone? Canít wait for the toenail clippings though, I shall grind them to a fine powder and introduce them to the tea of one of my current colleagues just to see what happens.
Thrasher now you've converted you will also notice an urge to play table tennis while others are in collective worship.
Sheureley Shome mistake??
I claim second prize and declare my conversion to catholicism. I haven't told anyone until now so as not to tarnish my long standing reputation. Phone the pope Britney.
Of course there is a second prize... we are still awaiting a special papal dispensation to allow the award to go forward.
As the first one to successfuly complete the validation you win the bonus prize! It is an authentic WWII gasmask that has been modified and plumbed into a sealed box containing Rocky's treasured jockstrap collection. Could you provide a postal address to allow speedy completion of the award?
Jim was one of many teachers who went to the 6th Form College after the Grammar closed. He had only been retired a couple of years so it's a shame that he didn't get a lot more years to enjoy his retirement after finishing. A good guy. With Alastair Mounsey having retired a year or two back and John Bristow having moved away to teach in Lancaster (I think), that leaves only Dave Kelly at the 6th Form from the ex-Grammar cohort.
Anybody out there from 1959-1966 ?
Someone has recorded Jim Fryer at the Sixth Form college and used his voice as a musical sample. http://www.freewebs.com/the_citizen/
Sorry to learn that two more teachers have passed away. I didn't have much contact with Brian McSweeney but Jim Fryer was a really good Physics master who made the subject interesting. He took me for O-levels from 1974-1976- he must have been in his early 30s then. I think he had a green Triumph Herald from memory. I've met him occasionally in recent years- still the quiet and kind man I remember from school.
Yes, he was scary as a teacher(very!), but quite a different person as the father of one of our Scouts (18th BGS) - very jovial and helpful!
Brian McSweeney was a very good Maths teacher but a very poor Careers Master. He certainly set me on the wrong track for a couple of years! Very sorry about Jim Fryer. Didn't realise he was that young(ish). He was a great Physics teacher and a very pleasant (if often bemused) character. "What's going on?" must be his epitath. Alan Banks, have you stopped laughing yet?
Following on from the news about the passing of Brian McSweeney comes another obituary in tonight's Evening Mail. Sadly, Jim Fryer, teacher at the school in the 1970's (and a former pupil) passed away on November 21st at the age of 63. Very sad, I thought he was a very decent guy.
I still visit this site now and again, when nostalgia strikes!Brian was OK when you got to know him and he had a dry sense of humour. Not a bad fast bowler either in his prime.Helped me a lot. RIP.
I agree with you,"theotheroneleft", when you say he was scary. Nevertheless I personally found him to be a good teacher in spite of that. Perhaps it's not a bad idea to be stony-faced and never crack a smile, bearing in mind how a teacher can quickly lose all authority if seen to be too friendly. Certainly I think he did have that authority and his classes were about the most "disruption-free" of all the classes I sat through in my years there. So, it worked. Question is, was it an effective strategy for maintaining order in the classroom and did he change persona into a laughing, joke-cracking wit when he left the school premises or was he always severe by nature? That's somewhat rhetorical because I think I know the answer! Yet, despite his rather cold demeanour I have to say I did rate him as a teacher.
Yes, saw that. I must say that that guy scared the bejesus out of me on more than one occasion, but I'm sure he wasn't really that bad. Not the most patient of teachers, I found. Sad, all the same.
I might be the only one left who checks this site out. However, if there is anybody else out there who tunes in, tonight's Evening Mail carried the sad news that Brian McSweeney, former maths and careers teacher at BBGS, passed away on 16-11-07. Apparently he had been suffering from cancer. The obituary was belated for some reason as it seems the service has already taken place.
I tried to, Ciaran, but kept rejecting my posts- presumably a consequence of the "spamming" the site has received. I posted the following on the Evening Mail's website on 1st August. "Greatly saddened to hear of the death of Ian Robinson in a white water rafting accident while on an Australian rugby tour with boys from Merchant Taylors' school. He'd taught there for 23 years and it was touching to hear the many tributes paid to him by colleagues, pupils and past pupils on local TV tonight. I remember Ian as a classmate at Barrow Boys Grammar School from 1971 to 1978. He was friendly, thoughtful and someone you could always talk to. One of the best. R.I.P. Ian." They then published tributes from Dave Kelly, Alistair Mounsey, Neil Venables and myself plus others. Half a dozen of the sports team pictures in the Sass archive have Ian on them.
Just back off holiday and can't beleive there were no posts about his tragic death.
it's too late now for most of us to care, but the voice of fred gallimore is still ringing in my ears.after taking a deep chesty breath, white spittle in the side of his mouth, and with a copy of mastery of english in his right paw, the gnarled old E-Lit guru would ask us to turn to page 32.in a selected passage he would point out the difference between practise (something you do), and practice (something that is).when he sent some of us to the gibbet because of subordination, he was practising his authority.i can't think of any doctors from among our ranks, but they would be in practice and have a practice.they would be practising when they went out to help someone.terry mayes had a lot of bad press, in reality he was a good guy and a friend of anyone who loved foreign and english literature.
Now then Zorro no need to be a smart arse. Berry may be right.Perhaps he is practicing and one day he maybe a fully fledged christian.Practice makes perfect.Maybe we'll send you to Tez Mayes than god help you!!
Re previous e-mail, make that "6th from last word". Quite apart from my technical ignorance I also struggle to count past 3. And who were my Maths teachers? - - - -
Recent correspondence seems to have concentrated on staff-members other than those from the front line. First the caretakers, and now - - - well, I won't say who, except that this backroom member was highly prominent during the 60's and 70's. Trouble is, pardon my technical ignorance, but in order to provide an up-to-date picture of this old school legend I will need one of the three (???) people who visit this site to write in with written instructions on how to attach a scanned photo to the e-mail. If someone out there can help out I will duly oblige with interesting photo of the said person (well, okay, forget that 5th from last word).
Didn't he play a copper in "Goodnight Sweetheart?"
Following the sad news about Mr Benn, and staying on the subject of caretakers, I can inform you that another of the old caretakers is still seen wandering around Barrow. This will have to be somewhat cryptic as I don't know the guy's name. He was a caretaker at the school in the 60's and 70's. He doesn't seem to feature however on the 1972 photo but he can be seen on part 1 of the 1967 photo on the extreme right of the picture. He was a bald headed chap and he tended to have a slight squint in his eye. I last spotted him on Buccleuch Street just two or three months ago and, remarkably, he really doesn't look very much different to how he appears in that long-ago photo taken in 1967. Anybody know the guy's name?
Very sorry to hear that. Mind you he must have beensome age. He was a grey haired gent back in the '70's!
Remember him well from the 70s (aka Breed'em Benn) He was indeed a nice guy, sad to hear of his passing. I knew various members of his family, quite a large number of relatives, so the epithet seems deserved! My condolences to them.
Unfortunately it seems that there are few visitors to this worthwhile site these days but anyway here goes - - - for those of you out there who do still check in from time to time, I can report that sadly Ernie Benn, caretaker at the school in the 70's, and perhaps back in the 60's too, passed away on May 1st. I believe he had been living in the Ulverston area in recent times. Seemed like a gentleman on the occasions I met him and may he rest in peace.
Are you all still watching the Hairy Bikers??Seems like he's becoming more of a song and dance man with a few jokes thrown in. Game show host beckons I think.Latest one liner "like me mam said you can't polish a turd"!! a barrovian classic.You can take the boy out of Barrow but ......!
Oh LordyI think that's me on 62-2 2nd row down, third in from right and turning down to look to my right. Was I ever that young? (that was rhetorical and no smart answers neccessary)Currently living in the hills outside of Perth in Western Australia with a hobby farm and enjoying Oz immensely. Something to do with the beaut climate and cheap wine no doubt.I am a management consultant and trying hard to wind down towards retirement.
A site to bring back the memories! Being described as 'comment' on slide 3 2.7 begs for an update. Currently residing in Bridgend and working in Payroll management in local government after a career largely in the NHS. An avid exiled supporter of Barrow AFC and speedway (yes they do go together despite what speedway did to Holker Street ) and a practicing Christian. Married with 2 children and 2 step-children.
Definitely jumped the shark months ago when Greatest Ever Barrovians entertainingly mutated into Biggest Barrovian Arseholes and the webmaster felt obliged to pull most of the posts as he felt they were libelous. Shame really as when you look back through previous posts and the Atlantean Crap Hoard there really are some very funny posts. Maybe the site and the webmaster should consider a move to the Cayman Islands so as to no longer have to worry about UK libel laws.
It became uninteresting cat shite, so everyone left
What happened to the informative and interesting chat on this site?
Post some tripe then.
It's all turned to bollocks.
Never mind that - WTF is that strange creature whose very appearance chills the blood? The wombat on the left, however, looks quite nice.
I am so glad that my people could assist you in tracking down the reincarnation of the one you call Moonhead.
I heard they are having a tea party in Boston. Perhaps the charming Barrovian mob should be invited? Isn't Massachusetts a good spot for witch hunting?
In case PW's comments are too cryptic. From the ever-wonderful Evening Mail 21/12/06:THE chief executive of Thorntons has issued a grovelling apology to the people of Barrow after police were called to the store to calm furious locals yesterday afternoon. Evening Mail readers were livid after Thorntons manager Steve Beallís comments branding Barrow a Ďs**t-holeí were exposed on yesterdayís front page.Mr Beall was sent back to his home city of Newcastle where he will be dealt with internally, says the company.But tempers flared at the Dalton Road chocolate store and cafe yesterday and a member of staff misidentified as Mr Beall was threatened.The cafe was forced to close and police were called to investigate reports of anti-social behaviour. Mr Beall, 20, was seconded from Newcastle to help with the launch of the Barrow store two weeks ago but infuriated Barrovians by posting slurs on the town on his MySpace website.Chief executive Mike Davies promised a free chocolate for everyone. He said: ďOn behalf of Thorntons I would like to apologise for the disparaging comments made by one of our employees about the town of Barrow-in-Furness.Ē
Indeed!! I have a technical fault and haven't had time to resolve it as I was busy demonstrating the friendly nature of my hometown by mobbing a local shop and threatening the shopgirls. The bastards! It's the last time I ever eat chocolate.
Wot! No snow?
They haven't even started construction work on the Castle St site, Ian! That lot make the Further Education facilities in Furness look like High Academe.
All this is after my time there, thank goodness. I had no idea of these plans at all. When I left, the big issue was taking over the old hospital site in the middle of town. Have they ever completed it? As regards Worcester's academic reputation, it depends heavily on which league table you read. I've seen it right at the bottom through to mid-way up the table. I can't alas claim that my departure led to the decline.
Where are you now?The "University"now has a dreadful reputation. It is rated one of the bottom three in the country and is riding roughshod over the city in it's Neandertahlic approach to expansion.The "playing fields" are a development of 11 pitches plus a 109 booth changing pavilion. In itself no problem, but instead of spending an extra £200,000 on a proper access off the main Bath Road (in a scheme costing over £2m) they want to drag all the user traffic through Battenhall and then down a tiny Close.Load of cheapskate t*ssers who have no sense of local pride or social responsibility. God it makes me want to return to Furness, at least there are 90% fewer vehicles on the road there!
Yep, it was me, and am no longer at Worcester (I escaped some years ago). What's all this about playing fields?
It's ok. I've recovered now!I think there is another ex-Barrovian "Ian" someone or other who used to visit this site years ago and is an academic at the dreadful University of Worcester.
Didn't know that Worcester had a university!!! I'm at Newcastle.
I may wellb have addressed entirely the wrong "Ian". I blame 9 pints of Three Kings Hanley Castle Beer festival ale for that.It's no excuse, of course.
IanI hope you have a modicum of common sense and can see the complete idiocy of the University's playing field access proposals.If so, please have a word with your Vice Principal as he seems to be a complete ignoramus in this respect.
Dear ISHDelighted to hear that you like the book. It's had good reviews in all the newspapers I never read (Telegraph, Sunday Telegraph etc.) but the rest seem to have ignored it. I don't remember the Uri Geller fork incident, but it sounds quite likely. I do recall that we once asked the very same individual to stand on a table in the prefect's room (quite possibly on one leg) and sing Land of Hope and Glory. Well... it was something like that!
I've already got the book and can say in all honesty it's very good.Incidentally, Ian, I was in the same year as Chris Blackhurst and remember you vividly as a prefect. Far from being power-crazed you were a model of sanity, and some of the punishments you meted out were inspired (e.g. my memory may be going south, but I'm certain you once got CB to spend most of the dinner hour trying to bend a fork Uri Geller style).[IT - is this okay? I'd like the payment in used notes if possible, please].
Just the 40% available on Amazon. The RRP is £30 but Amazon are selling it at £18. Hard to beat!!
Looks good Prof! Any discount for BGS oldboys? :)
Yes, I saw the obit for Nigel Kneale too and was surprised, having been brought up to believe that the only famous Barrovian was Emlyn Hughes. Interesting too that Matthew Kneale, the author of the wonderful 'English Passengers' is his son (if I remember the article correctly). That might explain why some of the noivels best characters are Manx. But really all this is just an elaborate way to introduce a plug for my own book, 'The Sun King's Garden', which has just been published by Bloomsbury. Here's a link to Amazon!!http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0747576483/ref=pd_rvi_gw_1/026-0938944-4215624
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I guess we get what we deserve.
Didn't realise until I read his obit. that Nigel Kneale, author of Quatermass, was born in Barrow. He grew up in the Isle of Man so I'm not sure he made it as far as attending BGS but if he did I wonder if the experience of playing football on the Swamp in the middle of winter inspired his later work.
But let's be fair about this - the poor guy is clearly suffering. See the following:http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4153/is_20061017/ai_n16782319
Should be good. I hope he accepts lots of Commission. Wouldn't want to see him spend all that time bullshitting to walk away with nothing.
what a twat!
I doubt we'll be able to get a ticket - it's bound to have sold out within minutes.
Reading the local Rag last night, Old Boy Chris Blackhurst is coming to the Forum Early November to Lecture on Financial matters.Just thought you may like to know!!Probabably give it a miss myself.
yup thats me on section 3, just been told about the site and seem 2 b meeting up with alot of old boys at the moment, coincedence or fate?
I hope he's better at bridge than physics!
And playing at the Arnside Bridge Club
Just noticed that there is an entry on the 1972 photo saying Mal Hisom is deceased. I think this is incorrect. I believe he did suffer some form of serious health problem but I think it is true to say that he recovered and is STILL alive today, in 2006, and still living in Arnside.
Hell, I was expecting a simple yes or no.
Hello Charlie, Do your family ever get to see your "Brown Sugar" impersonation?
Found this site by accident. Great stuff. I was in 3F and remember the stinkbombs and rucksacks being used to block the aisles. Also I recollect that we once set up a speaker on top of cupboard and played music through it when Sneck was writing on the blackboard. Was it really 36 years ago!! My family enjoyed the photo of me at Grange station - I remember that day as well - must get out again... feel free to get in touch.
Reports of Paul Ayres' passing rather premature Ciaran, the individual in question was a Philip Ayres, same age, close but no cigar.
In reply to john Keleher, sorry its been so long, I only look at the site when offshore and bored, yes I am Jez's brother, he lives in ulverston and works back in Vickers
its a year since blighty- the test match of the centuary and a good chin wag... just took my daughter to the phillies baseball game for fathers day (last month) and while it has set up a new tradition its not the same. she loved it , iwas thinking of the "new ball" and the appluase at the sun coming out..it was 94 degrees and i was sweating my chuds off paying top dollarssssssssss for water ,felt like john mills with my carlsberg when i got home .. watched the drip on the side of the glass then drank it faster than ciaran can ride down cemmy hill on his bikeregards to alldave
Now that made me laugh, conjures up pictures of Wallace and Grommit hurtling down the road!!
Dave has quite a history with bikes, he turned up when I was in the middle of my finals with a Ural and sidecar with John Carling (Ronnie Corbett) in tow on the back of an AA recovery van. He then proceeded to noisily fix the bike over several days before heading up to Barrow. The Ural was particularly terrifying because the sidecar was on the wrong side which Dave would often forget driving merrily down the centre line with you in the sidecar projecting several feet into the oncoming traffic. He then went on to buy a massive Honda Goldwing which was so heavy it often collapsed on top of him necessitating the efforts of passing motorists (if they could stop laughing) to haul upright. He gave me a ride on the back of this around Birmingham which convinced me to never place him in charge of my life again!
Sorry to hear that Ciaran.I spoke to Dave just the week before and he was on top of the world at his success. His mobile diverted and it turned out he was cooking for the camera in Rhodes during our conversation (lifestyles of the rich & famous!)
Our intrepid hairy Chef Smashed himself and his rare Benelli Tornado bike up on Mad Sunday at the Isle of man TT.The Bikes a write of but fortunately Dave, though airlifted to hospital, has spoken to the mail from his hospital bed and describes himself as sore and battered with injuries to legs and a broken wrist.Apparently he was just on his way for a Kipper Bap!!That's a bit of a come down from oryx!!
Not knowing what a Mason Jar is, I had to look it up. It seems that it's object of the month.http://mcclungmuseum.utk.edu/objectmo/ob-9808.htm
The ten mason jars of fermented piss I can understand - but a Michael Flatley DVD? YOU ARE SICK!
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Just where did they drop the mortal remains of Ron? I was passing through Urswick yesterday and stopped off for a browse.Just to get confirmation he was no more. There was no sign... no ring of burned shrivelled grass or ring of toadstools, nothing. All most inconvenient as I then had to drive off again with ten mason jars of cold fermented piss and a Michael Flatley DVD.
I was a witness at one of these performances in Doling's, of all places.Truly impressive, and childishly, but pant-wettingly, funny. The conspiratorial wink he gave us as we walked back past the shop, with him sitting on a chair outside, made keeping a straight face very difficult.
Phil was the son of the minister at Abbey Methodists (I seem to remember him claiming to be adopted, but that might just have been to get more cred). He honed his acting skills by throwing faux fainting fits in Woolies and getting shop girls to bring him glasses of water.
...the son of a methodist "bish", or whatever the faithful call the senior meths. Astonishingly disruptive along with the rest of us for his 4 years at BBGS, then was banished to acting school. Awful taste in music though - used to collect Tamla Motown singles. By the way, his name was Philip. The "Martin" moniker was silent in those days.
Wow! What a blast from the past! A google search turned up the 1962 school photo of those attending Barrow Grammar School. (I think I was in the 2nd year at the time.) I'm in the middle of the front row in picure # 5. I remember some of the faces, students as well as staff but couldn't put names to many of them. I left the school in 1963 and now live in Rhode Island, USA.My best wishes to all who attended the school. It was fun! Mike Edwards
Should it be splendidly?
On the Tv star subject ( although I know he has been mentioned) does anyone else remember young Brown( later the celebrated John Philip Brown) of all sorts of TV fame? Was he the son of a vicar? He was spendidly disruptive in his 2 years at BGS.
They made the front page of the mail this week as they signed copies of their new book for hundreds of eager fans at ottakers in town.The queues were bigger than when Kendo Nagasaki signed copies of his book recently!!!Now that would be a good tag team challenge!!
Dave Myers claimed on his recent visit to Vietnam (shown BBC 2 last Tuesday)that it was the first time he'd had a penis in his mouthI tend to believe him.
Sadly, this fine site doesn't seem too lively these days. Is is dying? That's such a shame because it's a perfect opportunity for all ex-BGS students to stay in touch. It would be interesting to know just how many (or just how few?)former pupils bother to check this site out at all. Suggestions for bringing it to wider recognition would be useful. Pass the web-site address on to anyone and everyone that you know who is a former pupil. There must be literally thousands knocking around who simply don't know about this site and who would enjoy it if only they knew it existed - - -
As far as I'm aware, Mrs Nott has indeed passed away. The bar has been ripped out and the urinals demolished. I was at Furness auctions when the bar with three handpumps was up for grabs. I believe it was purchased by the new Ulverston Brewing Co. located on the outskirts of Ulverston. A sad loss but perhaps the start of a new era?
Back in the Metropolis last weekend and I see that shrine to Hartley's XB, The Furness Morris Men and the EUS - The Beehive is up for sale. I'm told its offers over £149,000 and if the numbers came up I'd be tempted to snap it up just for all the good memories I associate with the place. Not sure how well the Gents urinal outside sits with a bijoux holiday home on the outskirts of the Lakes though! Does any one know if the landlady Margery Nott is now pulling spiritual pint of best - last time I saw her was one Christmas a couple of years after she'd given up the licence but was still living there, the pub sign was still up and she very kindly invited my wife and I in for a drink and a mince pie - no Hartley's though we had to settle for a sherry!
Yes, I think it's great to have a Barrovian celeb whose proud to be from Barrow and doesn't pretend to be anything else. And the show makes me laugh. You can pass on my congratulations in your next email.
Just got an e-mail from Dave Myers today. He's just returned from filming Series 2 and regards himself as "very lucky". I think he deserves his success for his excellent line in deadpan comedy!
Bikers continue in excellent form. I enjoyed the TT races - my dad took me there when I was a kid too. And Transylvania was a delight - particularly the part where our northern heroes went mud bathing and impersonated Greek gods. There are certain indignities attached to this celebrity lark.
Just found this website--does anyone one know what happened to dear old Jack?( English teacher )
It's gone now - thanks. I'm pretty baffled by much of the content on this site, of course.
What's all this 'baffled content'on the threads board?
Did he learn that Dance as Mother goose in the Inter Form Drama competition I wonder?? or was he the props man for Big Bird in Sesame Street?Next week looks like the old home town may be featured as the Hairy Bikers turn Sailors and head to the Isle of Man.
I am looking for Old Barrovians Who were at the School from about 1940 to 1950> I left about then and joined the RAF and served for 27 years before I retired.Sorry about the typing quality but we didnt have computers in those days.I went to Edinborough University ( Heriott Watt College ) and studied Maths & physics before returning to the Service to serve as a Guided Weapons Specialist and eventually as a Flying instructor. If anyone remembers me I would like tro fear from them either on the Internet or by good old Post Office My addresses are 3Belmont, Holton le Clay, Grimsby,Lincs ore-mail firstname.lastname@example.org Bryan D. Gale late of 15,Croslands Park Barrow in Furness
You're right Ciaran. Neil Smart was in the Crossbar at Holker Street yesterday.
Probably something to do with Neil Smart being back in town. He runs a soccer school in the states and comes home periodically to offer work to local Soccer stars.That group of players spawned at least 3 professional soccer players, Gary Stevens, Glen Skivington and Gary Westwood.They try to get together when the exiles come home I understandI think they got to English Schools soccer Final when they were in 5th year.
Don't know the full details but we were sponsoring the Barrow v Northwich match at Holker Street yesterday. In the programme it says there's a re-union Barrow Grammar School 1974-1979 soccer match at Holker Street next Saturday, 28th January, kick off 2.00 p.m.
The Aussie 13% is working well on my spelling and there's no edit function!
Dave was never bullied. Who would bully anyone who maintained a philosophical attitude to the continual "here it is, no it isn't" cycles of hairloss? He was a star, a really nioce las
May I endorse what has already been said about the Tuesday show, it was very enjoyable and something genuinely different. I never knew Dave to speak to at school because he was a number of years younger than me but I DO remember him, as would anybody who was at the school at the time. This is because he did of course stand out a mile due to the unfortunate alopecia that he suffered from. You couldn't miss him with his couple of tufts of hair on an otherwise shiny skull. The reason I mention this is because, and I speculate, I imagine he must have taken his share of stick from bullying morons due to his condition. In light of this, we have witnessed a rare moment of justice in life. Dave can now stick it to anyone who gave him a hard time by pointing to the fact that he now has fame through a TV series of his own (not too many former pupils can say that but if Andy Craig is reading, yes, we know you can) and he has the added revenge of going down in TV legend as a HAIRY biker. The ultimate response to anyone who mocked him at school! Very well done Dave.
Probably two years behind me then.
Dave left the Upper Sixth in 1976. He's 47 or 48 now.
Enjoyed the show greatly - what years was Dave at the school? I can't remember him at all, but he now has much less grey hair than I have, so he could be younger.Chris Blackhurst was on the radio a couple of daysago. I seem to remember making him stand on a table and sing Jerusalem in my power crazed days as a prefect (actually it was the year they 'democratised' the whole sordid business by making the whole sixth form into prefects).
Great performance last night by Dave. Thouroughly enjoyed the show.Billy Connoly Style world tours to packed theatres beckon.Did he always Woooo!! at School.Word of the Day has to be Oryx.Next time I hit a Zebra, it'll be on the roof rack and home for burgers!!
Amazed to see Dave piloting a microlight - he gave me a lift on his motorbike once and it certainly didn't inspire confidence!
Barely recognised him from the quiet considered lad he used to be in those halcyon '70's.Seems like an all out action man now!
Tonight BBC 2 8.30; be there or be square
Haven't seen Dave for years. He became a prosthetics expert in film and TV and I remember him as a star in Shirley Eaton's Art classes and a connoisseur of fine early '70s rock music. Obviousy stood him in good stead for his career about turn.
Saw them on Richard & Judy this afternoon!! - and dear old Barrow got a plug! Good luck to them, I reckon. We need the occasional succcess story to brighten our days, and they seemed pretty free of affectation!
Tuesday 17.01.06 20:30 BBC2 - I expect we'll see Dave on the Jonathon Ross show next as he plugs his new series and cook book. He certainly seems to have a good publicist judging by the amount of press coverage of late.
Does anyone know when the Biker Cooks are supposed to appear on the box? Can't wait to alert friends and colleagues to the culinary and cultural dellights of Roa Island.
There's pretty for you.
Happy New Year to all, since no-one else has said it...
Well do what the sensible ones did - only put up with 5 years of shite.Terry Holland - lovely guy who couldn't spell. " Hells Angles" in studs on his back was not a good look, even to those of us destined to the trades.
That was the previous night.God bless us all. Merry Christmas!
Appalling nightmare last nightReturned to BBGS as pupil with 7 years of shite before me.Bedclothes were soaked when I woke.What does this mean?
As far as I know, he died some years ago whilst working on the North Sea oil contracts. Whether this was as a result of an accident (which I think is the truth) or through drug abuse, I can't be absolutely certain, as we lost touch sometime before his death. As the saying goes, what a waste.
Does anybody know?
Yes I only met Terry a couple of times but he always seemed a really nice guy once you got past the Hell's Angel thing. I mainly remember him wearing his chromed Nazi crash helmet with various limbs encased in plaster following bike accidents. You have to respect anyone who had the strength of character to want to be different in Barrow back in the 60's and 70's and in spite of the cat his dad 'Greasy Dick' Holland ran a mean chippy.
Ah yes, Hollands Chippy, that cat added a certain...texture to the extremely (after 15 pints)tasty black puds too, as I remember.Behind the bluff and bravado, Terry was a surprisingly nice guy, and a good friend of mine.
I hope he'll pay homage to Barrow's original Hairy Biker - Terry Holland R.I.P. by including that old favourite from Holland's Chippy on Ainslie Street - Chips seved on a bed of greaseproof paper the shop's cat has been sitting on for the last ten minutes!
I hope he'll remember to include that Barrovian favorite of the 70'sChips and Cheese in a tray!!
Just a reminder for those of us who have signed up for this years Annual Urswick Xmas Mystery Relief Trip. The minibus will be leaving the Strawberry at 9pm sharp. As usual there will be a 5 pint mininum before leaving and no trips to the gents. Tinned beer will be available on the minibus and sausage rolls (provided this year by the Furness Foot Society). We will arrive in Urswick at approximately 9.45 pm and disembark to assemble around the Ron Horrocks headstone for traditional Irish dancing to the compact disc release of Micheal Flatley's Lord of the Dance. This will be followed by mass relief and easing of springs all round. We will then retire to the Burgoyne for pie and peas.
According to yesterday's Observer Dave Myers is now set to become Barrow's answer to Delia as his TV series Biker Cooks get ready to hit the air early in 2006. Does this mark the beginning of a culinary renaissance for the Metropolis with nouvelle quisine portions of cow growlers adorned with a little truffle jus? Good luck to him I hope he coins it in and puts Barrow on the foodie map.
HiIn 1967 Photo Part 1 I, Kevin Walsh, am at 4.13.I'm based in Carlisle now as OpsManager with Capita Symonds looking afert Highways in Cumbria and beyond. Love to hear from anyone from the old schoolCheers
1967 photo, part 53.1 Alan Suart3.2 Brian Jackson3.9 Ian Honeyman (Lives on front terrace at Roa Island when in England) 3.10 Don Wood4.6 Hainey4.8 David Kidd4.10 David Scott4.11 Laird4.12Andy Lawrenson4.13 Johnny Spoor4.14Paul Burlison4.15 Keith Grafton4.16 Self, John Falvey4.17 Ian Max McIntyre (Now in Capetown South Africa)Will go through a few more when I get chance....Best Regards..John Falvey
Fascinating site. I'm in the front row of part 5 of the 1962 picture. Must have been in form 2c at the time. I'd love to hear from anyone else who was there at the time. I visited BGS a couple of years back - I don't think it's a grammar school anymore. Best wishes to all, Mike Edwards
Dave, are you Jez's brother? If so, how is he, and what is he doing?
It was great to find this site, it brought back many memories for me particulary the photos,I left the school in 1976 to go to Ulverston.But I still think of the Grammar as my school
Great to meet up with Ciaran and for Barrow to win in the last 10 minutes! Just over a month ago there was also a "1B Class of 1971" chance reunion with FOUR in one room together (first time since the 70s?). At an end-of-term Thorncliffe School music events (for kids moving up from various junior schools) there was music teacher Russ Thompson, parents Bill White and Keith Parke plus Uncle Sass. In Sept.1971 we all started together in our form Room P (the music room) with form master Phil Bond. I remember Russ playing the grand piano in the music room quite regularly before registration. The other masters that year were Wilf Kimber (1K) and Dennis Clampton (1C). I met Wilf on the top of Birkrigg Common last year having just celebrated his 80th birthday and I see Dennis has just had a letter published in last month's "Cumbria" (and the "Evening Mail") about the state of the Newby Bridge-Bowness road and the impact of 4x4s on the Seathwaite-Hoses track in Dunnerdale.
Just wondered if the above is true or my link to the website was wrong.Well me and Sass are still alive at least. Bumped into him on one of my rare visits to Holker Street Saturday. A good 3-1 win. I haven't seen them lose a game this millenium!! Pity I can't say the same for the guy's at craven park.
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Back in the metropolis at the weekend I took a walk round the Abbey and was amazed to see the utterly crap extension to the Abbey House Hotel - OK its made of sandstone but it looks like a modern office block tacked on to the original Lutyens house. Good to see Barrow's planners keeping up the tradition of Maggie's Farm when it comes to environmentally sympathetic developments! Was there a great stink about this when the planning application was submitted? Perhaps they should now look at widening the Red Waters to Suez Canal proportions and just build the Cruise Ship terminal in the grounds of Furness Abbey.
Hi :Does anyone know where Bonzo is currently - Alan not Ray - I would like to pick his brains on the music studio set up front. My last sighting of him is many years ago but beanhead and his brother passed on detais from a few years ago to indicate he is still continuing in Pilot mode .....
Always suspected the Dorian Gray presence
Bumped into Jamie Hill today at the Dockside in town with his family. Small world sometimes, and the bugger still has all that hair!!
had the works "do' today and was sat with Kenny Gamble of TSOP fame. I know its pompus to talk of it but what the f... i know coz i was there. a bit better than the GMS when i was told the coffee machine was making more money than my lathe.. which due to my scrap rate was probably true and it was rumoured i had a deal with Sammy Morgansee you in august .. tell all pubs to buy extra beer , im thirsty
Correct! He was by far the worst of a largely obnoxious and sadistic bunch when I was there. A full weight twat!
No.. he was a sack of merde tied in the middle with string
Out of the classroom Horrocks wasn't so bad. He managed the school basketball team and was quite OK, especially when we won.
Hi Dave, Sorry don't know where the Emperor ended up, he was always into hunting and shooting so maybe he's still in the Lakes somewhere. I have an abiding memory of 'Pig' Punton (who struck me as fairly a fairly civilised bloke in the BGS Teachers Role of Infamy i.e. he never tried to hit you) failing to cope with a rampant ink fight with Simon Healey as the main victim which followed the liberation of a bottle of sherry from a local off-licence one lunchtime.
Does anyone know what ever happened to (Emporer) Roscoe. He taught us maths in the third form 1970/71. John Rushton might know cos' he was in 3R with me.I'm currently living in Carnforth and working at Heysham Power Station. Hope everyone who knows me is keeping well.P.S.I still occasionally spontaneously break into my Bobby Puntin impersonation.All the best.
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A gross calumny on the town... oh well at least in the sense that it isn't alone. In Ulverston recently I observed a complete replica of the Gaza nightlife in full throw. I had expected conceptual artists, drummers, and cannabis-using middle managers!!
In Greece last week on an academic jolly. My hosts asked me where I came from. I explained that I was a Barrovian. They were greatly amused. Apparently the Greeks would use that term of a woman who hangs around in bars hoping to turn a trick. Fitting somehow.
I dropped into the White Lion, Slater Street, on my last trip home. As I dipped my madelaine into my hot mug of Tetley's ... it all came flooding back. The familiar string vest of the barman, the profusion of bingo wings belonging to the crusty ladies of the demi-monde crowding the bar, the broken figures slouched around the ornate round tables contemplating broken dreams whilst staring into the slowly vanishing foam of their Lethean draughts. Stirring from my reverie I noticed with some discomfort that I had soiled myself. The Devil's egg was even now on the move. I made to leave.
Back in the Barrovian Metropolis last weekend and had an OK plate of Pie and Peas at The Farmers in Newton washed down with a pint of Jennings but this didn't compare with my memories of this delicacy. Any suggestions for next time? Is the General Burgoyne at Urswick still turning out decent growlers - though I guess the Mynah Bird has probably wolf-whistled his last by now? The Jennings Golden Shower (or whatever they call it) was fine but not up to a pint of Hartley's Best at the Beehive.
I left 22 yrs ago, it hurts to write it down, I agree Life just takes over sometimes-something that happens while your busy doing other things.Enjoying a week off for spring break/Easter and looking forward to a trip home in August.if anyone is up for pint perhaps at the Earnest Pass let me know.. Was shocked to see pictures of cricketers adorned in Red,it seems the only white things in Barrow now (alas not dog shit) are ex shipyard workers fingers(allegedly)
Hello Dave, nothing much happens anymore I guess. All too old to do stupid things and too senile to remember the times when we did.Just noticed an advert for a do to celebrate 25 years of Parkview school.Doesn't seem that long since the old place closed.
did someone pull the plug and not let us on t'other side of the pond Know?
i am saddened to learn of the drastic conditions in mugsborough, as an avid reader of the daily obscurer i will speak to my friend at work "frank Owen' and along with my fellow ragged trousered philanthropists begin an immediate fundraiser.yours (tugging flat cap) R.E. Morse
John thanks for that, I was starting to think i was nuts as no other person from my year seems to remember it.it was a great show
Did anyone see the terrible snowfall yesterday? Kent brought to a standstill due to ice and snow. This same snow fell on the North last week and is falling today. I don't think we'll call the army out or close every school. Almost everyone got to work, trains ran more or less on time and we never made the national news. But Kent and Sussex are where the important people live (bankers and TV producers) and we should all feel sorry that they're a bit cold at the moment and that their 4x4s are getting a bit dirty. Please send donations to the 'Help the privileged South' appeal fund. £4.50 buys a basic car wash. £23.99 buys a playstation game to occupy Portia or Marcus whilst they're missing their lessons. Thankyou.
Hi Dave, 'Going Out' was a six part series created by Phil Redmond (of 'Grange Hill'/'Brookside' fame) transmitted from 15.10.81 - 19.11.81. Although you'd have watched it on Granada it was actually made by Southern TV. Have a look at this link http:/www.transdiffusion.org/emc/screens/southerner for a bit of background info.
Does anyone remember a great Grnadada tv show from the early80's called "going out" (i think ?) It was about a group of teenagers faced with life choices, . The opening credits resembled an Echo and the bunnymen album cover. Don't remember too much but Shaun , Sammy were two of the charactersHelp me put the puzzle together please?
hello, just updating my info should anyone wish to contact me. still living in philadelphia, now teaching in South Philly at a Charter school owned by Soul songwriter Kenny Gambledrop me a linecheersDave
Clicking on your name where?Or if you prefer just post it hereBetter still, mine is email@example.comIf I get a load of spam from Barrow I'll blame you!
Did you try clicking on my name?
Finally you responded! You said you posted your email but I couldn't find it - can you re-post it? And I see you haven't lost any of your diplomatic skills over the decades !!
A frequent problem, but by the simple expedient of attaching a VCR to the output of the endoscope you can simply fast forward, viewing just the highlights, and so limit the potential for tedium. Over the years I have found this a tremendous boon.
Not that it matters now but Gareth died about seven months BEFORE Emlyn not after him.
Just connected to the site to see that Gareth had died and not long after his brother as well. Always remember Gareth at school. Not the brightest cookie in the jar but basically ok. Shame for his family.Beef - you can get in touch as I've put my email address up but I'll need your real name. Regards.Philip
Ha ha! :-) (not you Andy)
It's Andy Craig actually.....creme brulee anyone?
Just too quick with the buttons. Any chance of an Edit function?
Ah yes, the Steelworks.
Interestingly or not as the case may be I worked with Dave when he was "a furnaceman " at the steelworks. This involved getting into the furnace (fortunately after some negotiation British Steel agreed to turn it off just before we got in )with a skip and shoveling **** into the skip for 12 hours a day 7 days a week . It was bloody hot and uncomfortable. Maybe this is where he got the idea for cooking ? Good to see he's got some hair- afraid mine fell out - how do they do that - must be a celebrity thing.
I watched their first programme, too and was pleased to see another cookery programme that is so vastly different to all the others. Who'd have possibly thought that two eccentric fat hairy people from an obscure location could present such a refreshing, innovative and revealing docu-entertainment-cookery programme? I was gobsmacked.
The poor lad suffered from one of those temporary adolescent alopoecia conditions where his hair used to come off in big clumps. The added facial hair didn't help recognition, either!
Neil, Yes its the same Dave Myers but with added hair!
If it's the same Dave Myers - 1976 vintage - I don't recognise him from the photos on the BBC wesite. But that's 29 years for you!
Talking of celebrated Barrovians is Dave Myers set to become Roa Island's answer to Nigella following his starring role in 'The Hairy Bikers' Cookbook'?The critics all seemed to like this pilot show so there must be a chance Dave could land a network series following in the footsteps of Pete the Perv and that guy Andy (Crane?) who presented kids progs. in the 1990's. Has the Evening Mail been doing an in depth profile of Barrow's latest celeb? Will Dave be the next surprise guest on 'Big Brother'?
As an old teammate of Ricky's at Furness, I vividly recall the tour to Portugal in 1988, where he turned up for the bus in a t shirt adorned with the words "Lock up your daughters and domestic pets - FRUFC on the piss". After making his intentions clear he then went on to start large brawls in each of our 3 games and drink himself into oblivion every night. If anyone deserved an MBE, it is surely Ricky! I also reckon the Special Constable thing was a way of ensuring he never spent a night in a 9' square cell whenever he went out.
Ricky (or Dicky as we used to call him) visited this site on a number of occasions a few years ago. He was a lazy git as far as schoolwork was concerned but must have changed his tune dramatically after leaving the 5th in 1974!!.The last time I saw him was as a special policeman walking down Rawlinson St, many years ago. Very ironic for someone who always gave the impression of being at the edge of the law (or maybe not!).Well done Ricky.
Yes, Ricky Priss is an old boy of St. James and BBGS. I knew him from both schools and still see him down at Cannon's gym occasionally. Good to see the MBE going to a down to earth, hard working guy like Ricky. I agree with Ciaran that this length of service in the shipyard deserves a medal- I've 4 years to go! Happy New Year everyone! Don't forget to make those Tsunami appeal donations at www.dec.org.uk!
Don't know him personally but I know he is an Old boy. Just announced in the mail tonight that he has got the MBE for 30 years service to the shipbuilding industry. Wow only 2 years to go and I'll get mine then, can't wait!!
How's Barrow today Ciaran? I was due for a quick visit today and tomorrow for a bit of walking and fishing up the Lakes, but copped out when I saw the weather forecast.I agree about FGH. Errors are always remembered, whilst good work is forgotten. On a visit to Barrow one Christmas my wife spent a couple of days at FGH for treatment of complications during late pregnancy. A couple of years ago my youngest was treated during another visit, after falling unconscious with anaphylactic shock. In both cases I couldn't fault the actual treatment and general care given. Having said that, FGH will never attract the better Specialists.
A little Harsh on FGH I think. I'm sure some of our medically qualified readers have made the odd mistake. Go on guy's own up to one!We all can't get it right all of the timeThey've always put me together fairly well after various rugby mishaps and as far as I'm aware, coped brilliantly with the legionaires problem a few years ago. I think they do a bloody good job! As Bump would no doubt endorse "let he who is blameless cast the first stone".Happy new year!!
If you ever have the misfortune to fall ill when visiting the folks, make sure you have enough cash for a taxi ride to Manchester or Newcastle hospitals because Furness General is staffed by knackers. My father had a brain tumour but was treated for a 'congenital malformation of the blood supply to his brain'. Once referred to a proper specialist, ie, one from beyond the Morecambe Bay Death Trust, he was soon correctly diagnosed and died. I was also able to stop concerning myself with my inheritance, brain blood-supply wise. Happy Christmas!
For the attention of Philip Crompton - - - you're really not that up to date with the news are you?!? R Horrocks passed away approximately 3 years ago. I think he was aged 63 or 64 and I understand it was a fairly sudden thing, as opposed to succumbing after a long illness.
Ugh, even mentioning the guy's name makes me want to throw up. Otto was one of the decent guys, sorry he's gone. How's that spawn of everything smarmy doing these days. Always wanted to meet up with him and give him a dose of reality therapy (my old colleagues veranacular for a good kicking). He fcuked up so many peoples lives it's untrue.
I received a clipping from the Evening Mail today, about BO's demise. I must say I didn't recognise him at all from the photo, even accounting for the passing of years - completely changed in appearance from the '70's gown-wearing days.
Can't remember that much French these days.Bumped into Dennis today at the candle factory at Lindal.Can't remember anything other than he was a bloody good French teacher who helped me actually learn the subject and pass an O Level.A real rarity when I was there.Hasn't changed that much eaither
Still alive and well, running Barrow quiz leagues I believe
I won't take this mockery of the Bible lying down. There are laws to prevent this kind of cruel ridicule being poured upon the true believers. Indeed Onan did wantonly spill his seed upon the ground, well mainly the ground with some hither and yon and perhaps a little ... well never mind. The main point being that this is literally the word of God and not fit to be the subject for a puerile website.Er.. now .. yes well there may not be actual laws as yet but they are being framed. Rest assured that as soon they are I will be taking names and IP addresses.
'Ey, like, I were never a tosser. Withdraw that, now.
In the bible, Anon cast his seed on the ground (an early attempt at the withdrawal method) and was damned by God. Later religious lunatics, or scholars, depending on your point of view, deemed masturbation to be the equivalent and a waste of potential new believers and future income. I must say, I've enjoyed a few hand jobs myself, so will probably, like all footballers, be classified a prime tosser. I don't really give a shit, but I stay Onanymous.
"...includes people who haven't got the courage to use their own name on e-mails."Or those who haven't the courage to name the people they think are tossers, in the first place
I do remember seeing Brian McSweeney at a Sandy Denny concert at Lancaster uni.Perhaps he knows the answer to Mr Otto's question?How's that for deep?
...but not a tosser...oh, no.
now then.. now then lah
Do you really wonder why?
Possibly , I'm sure some people think so . It's a pretty wide definition but includes people who haven't got the courage to use their own name on e-mails.
Define "Tosser". Are you one?
Following a beer fuelled get together with my old pal Neil Smart , we thought it would be a good idea to reassemble our School Footy team from 1979 for a discussion on how we lost in the Quarter Final of the English Schools Cup that year - still struggling to come to terms with it after 25 years.We're planning on being in Barrow at the end of January and are struggling to contact a few people , Gary Westwood and Graham Walsh in particular.If anyone knows their whereabouts could they please let me know at firstname.lastname@example.org.We're also looking to catch up with anyone else from our year , the only requirement is that they are still alive and not a tosser so it could narrow down the field somewhat.As they say in our part of the world , have a nice day..
Brian used to live near the family home and I was his paper boy for about 4 years. Over the intervening 20+ years, I've met him on a handful of occasions, in the pub and at funerals an he was always quick to say hello and to chat. He really was a decent bloke, I can't remember him ever being nasty to anyone. At least he spent some time as a minister, looking after a flock who didn't answer back, or present him with his perennial discipline problems! As for Stiff .... Is that bastard still alive??? He should've gone with Horrocks. Or before.
How's Stiff these days?
Very sad news. Brian Otto died this morning.I will remember Mr. Otto as a dedicated R.E. and Geography teacher who always had time for everyone. Latterly, I met him mainly at family funerals in his church role. At the last one he asked "where does the time go?". As we all get older, it's a reminder to make the best of our lives while we still have our health.Rest in peace Mr. Otto.
And now let us all stand and sing hymn number 97... Thy Kingdom Come (er on Bended Knee). With gusto boys...
I remember the 5-a-side lunchtime competition circa 1977(?)... we won :-)
A propos Brian Otto... I liked him, he was decent man. Ok, I may be biased because he was the first teacher to pick me for a school team and as I write this I am the worse for drink and, unlike Mr Otto, religion isn't really for me, but I hope he recovers (in a secular sort of way).
That's about right Phil
Across the wires the electric message came, He is no better, he is much the same
Ciaran, any more news about Brian Otto?
I've visited this site a couple of times and never felt the inkling to post. However, since reading the comments about careers advice I can't help but comment. McSweeney on his first round as newly installed Careers Adviser told me that wanting to do a degree if Psychology at the newly opened University of Stirling was a waste of time. Lo and behold I end up working there next to the Psychology Dept. some 20 years later!!It's my favourite anecdote to my kids whenever they got careers advice at school as careers advice has not changed in 20 years. It's usually crap.P.S. Have returned from Japan 12 years ago - school photo needs updating.
Does Gus (Kelly) still guff in class?
Got a surprise a couple of weeks back, had to take my eldest to see the 6th form college in Barrow and found Dave Kelly and a number of other ex-BGS staff still plying their trade. Had a good chat to him though he didn't seem to remember the five-a-side lunchtime comp in the 'new' sports hall, or that he flattened me against the wall in retaliation to accidentally hitting him in the nuts with a clearance shot. My sonís opinion Ė ďHeís tallĒ Ė chip off the old block Ė doesnít miss a trick.
Shalom Shalom Shalom Shaaaa-lom! Sha-alom Shalom ShalomShalom Shalom Shalom Shaaaa-lom! Sha-alom Shalom ShalomOne of the better Bump assemblies.... shurely not forgotten by all
Barrow is now a world famous holiday stop over for jet setters;http://www.lake-district-peninsulas.co.uk/cruise-ships.htmAre they airlifted onwards or do they have to play 'dodge the dog-shit' like the rest of us?
I believe someone's dropped special herbs in the thurible again? Oy vee!
Shalom Shalom Shalom Shaaaa-lom!Sha-alom Shalom Shalom
bollocks.............that would be Mr. Thwaite who once pummelled mefor setting the chem lab on fire. actually we were doing some lab stuff that requireeda sterilized cotton whool bung to be used as a stopper in a flask.pass it quickly thro' the bunsen burner he saiddid as asked but it set on fire so quite naturally i threw the thingin the drawer in front of me....he was soon over there when he saw the smokeand foolishly pulled the draw open.........hmm fire and air = much bigger fire..
any one know what happened to kath saul or dianne akred from the late 60'sor even marylyn millard?
who was the big guy looked after the school rugby team in and about 65?Thorpe i think....and who was the biol teacher that used to play guitar in class?
Seems like a bad time for ex-Geography Teachers, with Slug Sharpe's demise earlier this year. Bump was certainly aone for harmonics - one of the only members of staff who actually sang. There's none of that formal hymn-singing assembly stuff at the schools my daughters attend - not sure if that's a good thing or not.
I hear on the grapevine Brian "the bump" Otto is seriously ill in ICU having sufferred a massive Stroke or heart attack.Never taught me for any subject but was certainly a character at the school particularly in Assemblies.
I wish to thank the anon. contributor for the information he gave me about my old friend from my school days. It is much appreciated.Martin.
Martin: Have a look at the 'Threads' section of this site for the info that you are looking for.
I was shocked,only this year when I got my first computer and connected to this site,to learn about the deaths of Stephen and Gordon.They were in my year at school and Stephen had been in my class at P.S. as well.I have been able to find out how poor Gordon died but not when,and it seems Stephen died in 2002 but I know nothing more than that.Can anyone tell me more-e.g. are they buried Barrow cemetery? Though I've lived in Ireland for 31 years now ,I return to Barrow now and again.Thank you.Martin[Napoleon.]
I predict that within 10 years the cane will have made a triumphant comeback.The Rack will be a routine treatment for 13 year-old Terrorists.Toenail pullers will be the teaching profession's favourite tool........and a damned good thing it will be.
Well said Mr. Chips. I work with them and what a bunch of twisted saddoes with over inflated senses of self importance they are. What really makes me laugh are the youngsters that enter the 'profession' believing that they will actually make a difference to some poor kids life, only to realise after the first 6 months that they are engaged purely in riot control and that they aren't even allowed the correct tools to do that job properly. If you are considering becoming a teacher, forget it - you'd be better off all round stacking shelves in ASDA.
Anyone who takes careers advice from a teacher needs to have his head examined. Teachers usually fail to make the grade at something or other and only end up in the classroom as they've got nothing better to do. No wonder they're bitter and twisted and get their rocks off making 11 year old kids cry. Trust me, I was one. Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach. PS Those that can't teach, teach teachers.
If only he'd have convinced me to carry on with my first choice as airline pilot who knows?Had to go with my second option of Electrician once I'd told him I wanted to leave at 16. From that moment I don't recall getting any careers advice at all being one who had let the school down by leaving early!!These days I'd probably would have been encouraged to leave to improve the School League Table results!!
Regarding the correspondence concerning Brian McSweeney, dated 29th September. I have just read this, hence the late reply. To answer the question, "whatever happened to Brian McSweeney?" I can reliably inform you, as an ex-BBGS student still in Barrow, that he is in fact very much alive, contrary to what "Victim" assumes. Or at least I should clarify that he was certainly very much alive on ly a few short weeks ago when I saw him in Tesco. Not only is he alive but he has altered very little in the thirty-plus years since I left. The hair is a little grey though not excessively so. Hardly altered. I heard from another that he still lives in Thorncliffe Road where he has lived for as long as I can remember him.
What became of Ron Jackman,a talented soccer player--1959 to 1964?
I can be if you want me to..... Just call 0898 234234. Have your credit card ready.
Or one third of a cycling trio?P.s. is that really Felicity K - and are you still as sexy??
Didn't he become famous for self sufficiency in Surbiton?
I had forgotten about Jean.Actually the boys were Jack,Joe and Bob.Joe and Bob were the hurdlers and Joe taught English.He had a permanent "sniffle" and Peter Goude did a brilliant impression of him.Then again Peter did a brilliant impression of most people.I wonder what happened to him?
Jack? Joe? Jean?Weren't they Barrow's nearest thing to a sporting superstar family?Olympic hurdling and the womens' National hockey side ring bells.Their old man was the caretaker at Roose juniors in the early sixties, buthe couldn't run very fast. At least not with his boiler suit and wellies on.
Who? Must be before 1969?
And Jack Birrell?
Deceased, I believe. Worn out by crap careers advice.
Whatever happened to Brian McSweeney?
OK, we give in. Which Big House is he in?
In the last two weeks over 400 hits have been made on this site but hardly anyone has added to the existing threads or the serial board.Surely someone must have some burning issue which has weighed heavy on their minds for many years, like whatever happened to Jock Cranston.
Next time you're up perhaps we'll hit the golf course...
I've been to Phil's house and there was no pervy collection in evidence - mind you, his collection of early Tibetan carpet sample books is a joy to behold.
OK... the gig is up!Now get back to work...
Nasty shock - having a sandwich at my desk, thought I'd look at the BBGS web site and what do I see! This looks fairly recent but I don't know who took it - hang on, could be a recent do at Barrow Cricket Club (Phil Watson would be the culprit). I thought he just wanted it for his pervy collection. The shot when I turned around was better ... Strange how people can recognise my back after all these years (must be the hump ..)
As he is using the childrens urinal often found at the end of the row it has to be our vertically challenged friend John Scott. Which pervert took the picture?
Or even a Scott-ish one ?
Would that be a Greek chap?
Sad to hear Slug has drained his last pint - bet it was some wake especially if Stiff had anything to do with it. Have some good memories of Slug and Stiff all of which involve drink strangely enough e.g. making the mistake of popping into the Farmers Arms for a lunchtime pint when we were in the Upper Sixth whilst Slug and Stiff were in residence and being told in no uncertain terms that they didn't give a f*ck if we wanted a pint but never to do it in their local. Yet a year later we ended up drinking Slug's whisky in his kitchen at the end of a long New Year's Eve before being driven back to Walney by Mike Holmes who had a fairly relaxed attitude to the drink driving laws of the day.Decent blokes rare amongst the BGS staff - hope they serve a decent pint upstairs or downstairs!
I warned him about those pellets...
Sad news indeed. No doubt he's having a fag (cigarette, that is) with Monkhouse right now.
I'm sorry to say that Bob Sharpe passed away a few weeks ago in Barrow.
Oh no, I hope Slug hasn't popped it. I wanted to buy him a pint sometime for being a decent human being (rare amongst BBGS staff in the '70's)
Ah the new term....kitted out in a new fluffy Co-op blazer sans edge piping to really make the McDowell's barathea boys look superior.....I heard a snippet that Slug may have recently cashed in his last Embassy coupons.Anyone out there care to clarify?
New job opportunity coming up which needs further study for a marketing qualificvtion.As I still have nightmares about not having revised for A-levels, I don't think I'll apply.
Probably a permutation of any two from three..
Has everyone given up, died or are you waiting for the new term to begin?
Ciaran, no they won't, so, yes, they will. Mistaken identity, it seems.
Live web feed from 1900....
The fateful day has arrived. Will van man and shitty pants meet and live happily ever after?
If 32 years would care to email me, then the cloak-and-dagger routine would not be necessary. Hoping to hear from you.
I'm confused. What are the initials of the brahn van driver?
Sorry, not there until end August (apart from 3 day visit this weekend)- just making a comment about Duke of Ed. All your other suggestions are shite as well. Bring back the Dalton Rd Trav and the Robin Hood as it was in the '70's (just the same as now, but with plastic seat covering in the bar and a better class of landlady).
OK, your call. Travs Club (Abbey Rd),Abbey Rd Cons, Furness Railway, Peacock, Robin Hood (if you're really brave or deeply pissed) oh, the list is endless. Only suggested the Duke because of the lockins 'till stupid o'clock in the morning. E-mither me with your inspiring selection.
Duke of Ed!!!!?
OK, curiosity gets the better of me. Duke of Ed, Aug 3, 9pm. White carnation optional, I presume?
OK, curiosity gets the better of me. Duke of Ed, 9.00pm. Aug 3rd. White carnation optional, I suppose?
If the driver of the brahn van would like to name a local hostelry on or about the 3rd of August, then the E-type Cortina pilot will input the coordinates to add a few furlongs to his impending journey from middle-earth and maybe imbibe one or two?
The ideal support band - they'd make any headliner look impressive
So, after years of blood & sweat, the BBC finally get their coverage of Glastonbury reasonably sorted and what happens - its too bloody late. Starsailor - I ask you - what are they for?
Exit, pursued by a Post van painted brahn!
So, is everyone stuck to the gate?
Just found this website. Glad to see some of us are still alive and kicking!I haven't been back to Barrow since I left school in 77. Moved to the US in 84 and been here ever since. In the computer business, based in South Florida (Key Largo) now after stints in Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Minneapolis.The site brings back lots of memories! Mostly good. I hope be back in the UK later this year and will come back to see how its changed since!Is the Strawberry Hotel still there? Spent many an evening there when I should have been studying!
Don't be cheeky. Scouser actually flying the flag in manc land and have been for years.Still fancy a few beers
Are there any other escapees living in greater manchester?Anyone fancy a few beers sometime?Don't get back to Barrow any more but if anyone is passing this way get in touch. 0161 727 8478 or 07708 989671. Can always find some beer and food.Dave Proctor
Another era to end? We'll all soon be in our dotage and be able to start rambling on once more. My God, even some of our former teachers have worn better.